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Redirects for discussion (RfD) is the place where potentially problematic redirects are discussed. Items usually stay listed for a week or so, after which they are deleted, kept, or retargeted.

  • If you want to replace an unprotected redirect with an article, do not list it here. Turning redirects into articles is wholly encouraged. Be bold!
  • If you want to move a page but a redirect is in the way, do not list it here. For non-controversial cases, place a technical request; if a discussion is required, then start a requested move.
  • If you think a redirect points to the wrong target article, this is a good place to discuss the proper target.
  • Redirects should not be deleted just because they have no incoming links. Please do not use this as the only reason to delete a redirect. However, redirects that do have incoming links are sometimes deleted, so that is not a sufficient condition for keeping. (See § When should we delete a redirect? for more information.)

Please do not unilaterally rename or change the target of a redirect while it is under discussion. This adds unnecessary complication to the discussion for participants and closers.

Before listing a redirect for discussion

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Please be aware of these general policies, which apply here as elsewhere:

The guiding principles of RfD

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  • The purpose of a good redirect is to eliminate the possibility that readers will find themselves staring blankly at "Search results 1–10 out of 378" instead of the article they were looking for. If someone could plausibly enter the redirect's name when searching for the target article, it's a good redirect.
  • Redirects are cheap. They take up little storage space and use very little bandwidth. It doesn't really hurt things if there are a few of them scattered around. On the flip side, deleting redirects is also cheap because recording the deletion takes up little storage space and uses very little bandwidth. There is no harm in deleting problematic redirects.
  • If a good-faith RfD nomination proposes to delete a redirect and has no discussion after at least 7 days, the default result is delete.
  • Redirects nominated in contravention of Wikipedia:Redirect will be speedily kept.
  • RfD can also serve as a central discussion forum for debates about which page a redirect should target. In cases where retargeting the redirect could be considered controversial, it is advisable to leave a notice on the talk page of the redirect's current target page or the proposed target page to refer readers to the redirect's nomination to allow input and help form consensus for the redirect's target.
  • Requests for deletion of redirects from one page's talk page to another's do not need to be listed here. Anyone can remove the redirect by blanking the page. The G6 criterion for speedy deletion may be appropriate.
  • In discussions, always ask yourself whether or not a redirect would be helpful to the reader.

When should we delete a redirect?

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Further information: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Common outcomes and Wikipedia:Moving a page § Moving over a redirect

The major reasons why deletion of redirects is harmful are:

  • a redirect may contain non-trivial edit history;
  • if a redirect is reasonably old (or is the result of moving a page that has been there for quite some time), then it is possible that its deletion will break incoming links (such links coming from older revisions of Wikipedia pages, from edit summaries, from other Wikimedia projects or from elsewhere on the internet, do not show up in "What links here").

Therefore consider the deletion only of either harmful redirects or of recent ones.

Reasons for deleting

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See also: Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion § Redirects

You might want to delete a redirect if one or more of the following conditions is met (but note also the exceptions listed below this list):

  1. The redirect page makes it unreasonably difficult for users to locate similarly named articles via the search engine. For example, if the user searches for "New Articles", and is redirected to a disambiguation page for "Articles", it would take much longer to get to the newly added articles on Wikipedia.
  2. The redirect might cause confusion. For example, if "Adam B. Smith" was redirected to "Andrew B. Smith", because Andrew was accidentally called Adam in one source, this could cause confusion with the article on Adam Smith, so the redirect should be deleted.
  3. The redirect is offensive or abusive, such as redirecting "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" to "Joe Bloggs" (unless "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" is legitimately discussed in the article), or "Joe Bloggs" to "Loser". (Speedy deletion criterion G10 and G3 may apply.) See also § Neutrality of redirects.
  4. The redirect constitutes self-promotion or spam. (Speedy deletion criterion G11 may apply.)
  5. The redirect makes no sense, such as redirecting "Apple" to "Orange". (Speedy deletion criterion G1 may apply.)
  6. It is a cross-namespace redirect out of article space, such as one pointing into the User or Wikipedia namespace. The major exception to this rule are the pseudo-namespace shortcut redirects, which technically are in the main article space. Some long-standing cross-namespace redirects are also kept because of their long-standing history and potential usefulness. "MOS:" redirects, for example, were an exception to this rule until they became their own namespace in 2024. (Note also the existence of namespace aliases such as WP:. Speedy deletion criterion R2 may apply if the target namespace is something other than Category:, Template:, Wikipedia:, Help:, or Portal:.)
  7. If the redirect is broken, meaning it redirects to an article that does not exist, it can be immediately deleted under speedy deletion criterion G8. You should check that there is not an alternative place it could be appropriately redirected to first and that it has not become broken through vandalism.
  8. If the redirect is a novel or very obscure synonym for an article name that is not mentioned in the target, it is unlikely to be useful. In particular, redirects in a language other than English to a page whose subject is unrelated to that language (or a culture that speaks that language) should generally not be created. (Implausible typos or misnomers are candidates for speedy deletion criterion R3, if recently created.)
  9. If the target article needs to be moved to the redirect title, but the redirect has been edited before and has a history of its own, then the title needs to be freed up to make way for the move. If the move is uncontroversial, tag the redirect for G6 speedy deletion, or alternatively (with the suppressredirect user right; available to page movers and admins), perform a round-robin move. If not, take the article to Requested moves.
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    If the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article, and the target article contains virtually no information on the subject.

Reasons for not deleting

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However, avoid deleting such redirects if:

  1. They have a potentially useful page history, or an edit history that should be kept to comply with the licensing requirements for a merge (see Wikipedia:Merge and delete). On the other hand, if the redirect was created by renaming a page with that name, and the page history just mentions the renaming, and for one of the reasons above you want to delete the page, copy the page history to the Talk page of the article it redirects to. The act of renaming is useful page history, and even more so if there has been discussion on the page name.
  2. They would aid accidental linking and make the creation of duplicate articles less likely, whether by redirecting a plural to a singular, by redirecting a frequent misspelling to a correct spelling, by redirecting a misnomer to a correct term, by redirecting to a synonym, etc. In other words, redirects with no incoming links are not candidates for deletion on those grounds because they are of benefit to the browsing user. Some extra vigilance by editors will be required to minimize the occurrence of those frequent misspellings in article text because the linkified misspellings will not appear as broken links; consider tagging the redirect with the {{R from misspelling}} template to assist editors in monitoring these misspellings.
  3. They aid searches on certain terms. For example, users who might see the "Keystone State" mentioned somewhere but do not know what that refers to will be able to find out at the Pennsylvania (target) article.
  4. Deleting redirects runs the risk of breaking incoming or internal links. For example, redirects resulting from page moves should not normally be deleted without good reason. Links that have existed for a significant length of time, including CamelCase links (e.g. WolVes) and old subpage links, should be left alone in case there are any existing links on external pages pointing to them. See also Wikipedia:Link rot § Link rot on non-Wikimedia sites.
  5. Someone finds them useful. Hint: If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do. You might not find it useful—this is not because the other person is being untruthful, but because you browse Wikipedia in different ways. Evidence of usage can be gauged by using the wikishark or pageviews tool on the redirect to see the number of views it gets.
  6. The redirect is to a closely related word form, such as a plural form to a singular form.

Neutrality of redirects

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Just as article titles using non-neutral language are permitted in some circumstances, so are such redirects. Because redirects are less visible to readers, more latitude is allowed in their names, therefore perceived lack of neutrality in redirect names is not a sufficient reason for their deletion. In most cases, non-neutral but verifiable redirects should point to neutrally titled articles about the subject of the term. Non-neutral redirects may be tagged with {{R from non-neutral name}}.

Non-neutral redirects are commonly created for three reasons:

  1. Articles that are created using non-neutral titles are routinely moved to a new neutral title, which leaves behind the old non-neutral title as a working redirect (e.g. Climategate → Climatic Research Unit email controversy).
  2. Articles created as POV forks may be deleted and replaced by a redirect pointing towards the article from which the fork originated (e.g. Barack Obama Muslim rumor → deleted and now redirected to Barack Obama religion conspiracy theories).
  3. The subject matter of articles may be represented by some sources outside Wikipedia in non-neutral terms. Such terms are generally avoided in Wikipedia article titles, per the words to avoid guidelines and the general neutral point of view policy. For instance the non-neutral expression "Attorneygate" is used to redirect to the neutrally titled Dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy. The article in question has never used that title, but the redirect was created to provide an alternative means of reaching it because a number of press reports use the term.

The exceptions to this rule would be redirects that are not established terms and are unlikely to be useful, and therefore may be nominated for deletion, perhaps under deletion reason #3. However, if a redirect represents an established term that is used in multiple mainstream reliable sources, it should be kept even if non-neutral, as it will facilitate searches on such terms. Please keep in mind that RfD is not the place to resolve most editorial disputes.

Closing notes

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Details at Administrator instructions for RfD

Nominations should remain open, per policy, about a week before they are closed, unless they meet the general criteria for speedy deletion, the criteria for speedy deletion of a redirect, or are not valid redirect discussion requests (e.g. are actually move requests).

How to list a redirect for discussion

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STEP I.
Tag the redirect(s).

  Enter {{subst:rfd|content= at the very beginning of the redirect page you are listing for discussion and enter }} at the very end of the page.

  • Please do not mark the edit as minor (m).
  • Please include in the edit summary the phrase:
    Nominated for RfD: see [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion]].
  • Save the page ("Publish changes").
  • If you are unable to edit the redirect page because of protection, this step can be omitted, and after step 2 is completed, a request to add the RFD template can be put on the redirect's talk page.
  • If the redirect you are nominating is in template namespace, consider adding |showontransclusion=1 to the RfD tag so that people using the template redirect are aware of the nomination.
  • If you are nominating multiple redirects as a group, repeat all the above steps for each redirect being nominated and specify on {{rfd}} the nomination's group heading from Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion
STEP II.
List the entry on RfD.

 Click here to edit the section of RfD for today's entries.

  • Enter this text below the date heading:
{{subst:Rfd2|redirect=RedirectName|target=TargetArticle|text=The action you would like to occur (deletion, re-targeting, etc.) and the rationale for that action.}} ~~~~
  • For this template:
    • Put the redirect's name in place of RedirectName, put the target article's name in place of TargetArticle, and include a reason after text=.
    • Note that, for this step, the "target article" is the current target of the redirect (if you have a suggestion for a better target, include this in the text that you insert after text=).
  • Please use an edit summary such as:
    Nominating [[RedirectName]]
    (replacing RedirectName with the name of the redirect you are nominating).
  • To list multiple related redirects for discussion, use the following syntax. Repeat line 2 for N number of redirects:
{{subst:Rfd2|redirect=RedirectName1|target=TargetArticle1}}
{{subst:Rfd2|multi=yes|redirect=RedirectName2|target=TargetArticle2}}
{{subst:Rfd2|multi=yes|redirect=RedirectNameN|target=TargetArticleN|text=The actions you would like to occur (deletion, re-targeting, etc.) and the rationale for those actions.}} ~~~~
  • If the redirect has had previous RfDs, you can add {{Oldrfdlist|previous RfD without brackets|result of previous RfD}} directly after the rfd2 template.
  • If appropriate, inform members of the most relevant WikiProjects through one or more "deletion sorting lists". Then add a {{subst:delsort|<topic>|<signature>}} template to the nomination, to insert a note that this has been done.
STEP III.
Notify users.

  It is generally considered good practice to notify the creator and main contributors of the redirect(s) that you nominate.

To find the main contributors, look in the page history of the respective redirect(s). For convenience, the template

{{subst:Rfd notice|RedirectName}} ~~~~

may be placed on the creator/main contributors' user talk page to provide notice of the discussion. Please replace RedirectName with the name of the respective creator/main contributors' redirect and use an edit summary such as:
Notice of redirect discussion at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion]]

Notices about the RfD discussion may also be left on relevant talk pages.

  • Please consider using What links here to locate other redirects that may be related to the one you are nominating. After going to the redirect target page and selecting "What links here" in the toolbox on the left side of your computer screen, select both "Hide transclusions" and "Hide links" filters to display the redirects to the redirect target page.

Current list

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January 3

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Israeli bombing of lebanon

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Ambiguious term, does not seem fit to be a redirect here. ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 14:11, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

West Virginia Tech Mountaineers

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This redirect confuses two teams:

Bkag Fishing (talk) 13:57, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Aseem Sharma

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Page-move vandalism, no relation between them. GrabUp - Talk 13:51, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

SummarizeDiscussion

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A cross-namespace redirect of limited utility that should probably be deleted now. The page was originally moved by cut and paste in June 2002 (back when that was the only viable option) to Wikipedia:Summarize discussion, which was itself made in to a redirect in May 2003, hence the current situation. I history-merged the early edits, moved the page to Wikipedia:Historical archive/Abandoned help pages from 2001/Summarize discussion (also see its parent page), and unredirected it. There's no relevant history at the "SummarizedDiscussion" page after my history merge, the historical archive is a surprising place to be thrust into from the main namespace, the "Talk page" redirect is less than helpful, and we don't even summarise discussions anymore ... we archive them. As for the links to the SummarizeDiscussion redirect, they're maintenance reports and it's completely harmless for all of them to contain red links. Graham87 (talk) 13:28, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

MOS:WINGSUIT

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Newly created redirect with no mention at target of how "wing suit" is relevant. It doesn't seem inherently obvious. Recommend to delete. An essay would be a better route to explain the analogy, if significant. —Bagumba (talk) 05:44, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep—Reference to this xkcd :)
A bit unusual, but I swear this is how I remember this—I can never remember what the actual title is for that policy. I think xkcd is popular enough that I won't be the only one. – Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 08:12, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I maintain that an essay is the way to go if one desires to give the concept wings, not a redirect without any obvious context. —Bagumba (talk) 11:30, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

OK gesture (film)

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While the film was known by a symbol similar to the OK gesture, it has never been called "OK gesture" in any source I'm aware of. JJPMaster (she/they) 05:26, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The film does not have a title as such and is simply known by the OK gesture a la 👌, Super is merely a fan title that has stuck (as noted here OK gesture#As a film title). While the symbol is best read as OK, since 👌 already redirected to OK gesture which contained info about the film, I decided to rd this reading as well. Gotitbro (talk) 06:00, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The two "Big N" redirects

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For some reason, these two are targeting completely different targets (Big N -> Neister's, The Big N -> Nintendo), despite the fact that the only difference between the two is the word "The".
If one target has to have bigger priority, surely it would be Nintendo? User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 05:15, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Eddy Martínez

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Not mentioned at the target in any capacity, making it a misleading redirect. Was weirdly undeleted at one point with an accusation of abuse towards another admin, but I guess technically irrelevant to the redirect itself. Hey man im josh (talk) 03:46, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Guaifenesin/codeine/pseudoephedrine

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This seems like a rare case of WP:XY happening to 3 different things at the same time. User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 03:30, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep I don't think this is being used to mean "guaifenesin OR codeine OR psuedoephedrine", but is used similarly to Hydrocodone/paracetamol, that is, a preparation that combines guaifenesin, codeine, and pseudoephedrine, which is a real thing. Nevertheless, I'm not sure if Cold medicine is the best target. JJPMaster (she/they) 06:01, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Serbian State

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Mismatch with Serbian state which redirects to Serbia. -1ctinus📝🗨 02:38, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(full stop).

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Seems to be an extremely unnatural and odd redirect title. Delete. -1ctinus📝🗨 02:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete This was created as a redlink here in 2008, and made into a redirect 15 minutes later. Not useful as a redirect, and seems to be a product of ancient Wikipedians testing out the site's functions. 1857a (talk) 03:00, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

History influencer

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This comes from a prolific editor, so I have no idea if I am misinterpreting this redirect, but influencers that talk about History are not mentioned in the article. However, the history of influencers is, so this redirect may be a typo. Weak Delete for now as possibly misleading, but I would not be surprised if I am reading this wrong, -1ctinus📝🗨 02:13, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

List of news companies in St Vincent and the Grenadines

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List no longer exists in article. Delete. -1ctinus📝🗨 02:07, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

St Vincent & the Grendadines

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somewhat unlikely misspelled w/ an awkward and sign makes this redirect double unlikely. Delete. -1ctinus📝🗨 02:03, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Adamantium (band)

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There's got to be no way this redirect is useful as a target to a band that has nothing to do with them save for sharing a split single/EP. Ten years ago, someone tried to Speedy G8 this, but it was declined as it was deemed that it was determined to be "useful to Wikipedia". I don't buy that, and I'm asking that more people discuss it.

In theory, this band is notable, as this Orange County hardcore band has shared multiple band members with several different clearly notable bands involved in their scene. But that has not yet been demonstrated. mftp dan oops 01:29, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I-10 exit list and etc.

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The target pages do not contain exit lists. These redirects are currently unhelpful in their pure formats, i.e. of lists pointing at a general interstate articles. There are occasionally some "exit lists" that exist across Wikipedia, but none that would be cross-country-encompassing as the name of this implies. In the meantime, the current existence of these redirects to the general interstates is misleading. It has been suggested once before in 2023 to possibly structure lists of lists for these, but the discussion closed as no consensus. Utopes (talk / cont) 01:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguate all per Presidentman. TheTechie@enwiki (she/they | talk) 02:01, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Chlaenius finitimus and etc.

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Unmentioned species redirect to genus, not helpful as a standalone redirect as a red link indicates lack of individualized content for these beetles. Utopes (talk / cont) 01:10, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Forza Kosova Party and etc.

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Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

Bundle of currently unmentioned Kosovo political parties. None of these pages have histories. At some point in time, they may have had dedicated sections, but this article has been substantially shrunken and all of these titles are currently without associated content, nor any sources. Communist Party (Kosovo) was among this group and was nominated in October with Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 11#Communist Party (Kosovo), but frankly I think WP:TNT may be a valid remedy, as this list article has give or take 160+ incoming redirects and over half of which are titles such as these nominated here, i.e. sourceless and contentless. Select titles can always be created and reinstated on a case-by-case basis for Parties with coverage on WP. Mass retargeting can also be discussed. There may be suitable titles that exist on Wikipedia, perhaps with multiple options, maybe. I'm not sure which will always be the best options, but the status quo of "Parties targeting a list where they aren't mentioned" doesn't seem feasible; I trust in any suggested remedies. Utopes (talk / cont) 00:09, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Normae Congregationis

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This name is never used to refer to this document. This appears to be a made up name by the user who created the article back in 2010, @BenedictKJS:. The very few non-RS blogs that use this expression are therefore WP:CITOGENESIS.

The article was created in 2010, before the Latin version of the document was published. From the research I have made, it seems that back then, the only Latin title was given in this 2008 interview (URL from the Italian Bishop Conference, since unfortunately the article at its original host is permanently dead) of Angelo Amato, in which the Archbishop says the title of this document is 'Normae S[acrae] Congregationis pro doctrina fidei de modo procedendi in diudicandis praesumptis apparitionibus ac revelationibus'.

As a sidenote, this is not the Latin title of the document we have as published (i.e., 'Normae de modo procedendi in diudicandis praesumptis apparitionibus ac revelationibus'); it is possible Angelo Amato got the title wrong in his interview, although the title he gave is quite close to the one given in French in the 2007 book Dictionnaire des « apparitions » de la Vierge Marie of René Laurentin and Patrick Sbalchiero (Éditions du Cerf, 'NORMES (du cardinal Šeper)', p. 668: "Normes de la sacrée congrégation pour la doctrine de la foi, Méthode pour discerner les présumées apparitions et révélations"), but this is not the topic.

The Latin version of the document was only published in 2012, along with the versions in other languages.

I suspect BenedictKJS has made up 'Normae Congregationis' by taking inspiration from the title given by Angelo Amato and possibly forgetting the 'Sacrae'. 'Normae Congregationis' are not the first words of the Latin version of the document either.

So, since they are wrong and unused, those redirects should therefore be deleted. Veverve (talk) 23:58, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Danny (Pokémon)

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No mention of a character named Danny, at either this, nor List of Pokémon anime characters either. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:25, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Cissy (Pokémon)

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"Cissy" is not listed at the target article. Also, not listed at List of Pokémon anime characters either. Couldn't find anything else in a search, besides the entry on the Cissy dab page. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:22, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bugsworth Bunny

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Creator inf blocked. Bugs Bunny's full name is not "Bugsworth". This does not appear anywhere and is original research; the actual name is "George Washington Bunny" which is apparently real and news to me. In any case, the name of "bugsworth" does not appear anywhere at the target article, and this is tagged as an r without mention so I'm bringing it here to figure out whether or not this is helpful. I don't see any reason for "Bugsworth" to be typed out instead of "Bugs". No incoming links. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:17, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete useless redirect. TheTechie@enwiki (she/they | talk) 00:44, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Awooo

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Not mentioned at the target. Mind as well delete or point this to Awoo, because there is no affinity towards this onomatopoeia with exactly three "o"s, where two "o"s is a unique topic article on Wikipedia and four "o"s for Awoooo doesn't exist. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:14, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Avoision

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A portmanteau of "avoidance" and "evasion" probably should not be targeted a specific tax-related topic. This is because there used to be an article titled Tax avoidance and tax evasion as a grouped combination, but now the term "avoision" is not mentioned at the new target of Tax noncompliance after its name change. Avoidance and Evasion are disambigs right now. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:12, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • I would keep this redirect, as it is a term in real world use, though somewhat informally, to describe circumstances where an effort not to pay taxes skirts the line between permissible avoidance and illegal evasion. Sources can be found. BD2412 T 00:02, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Las arañas

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WP:RFOREIGN Heyaaaaalol (talk) 22:05, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The other

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These two redirects should probably target the same article; I have no opinion on which at the moment. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 21:35, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Other. Latter target is a dab which includes the former target as an option. TheTechie@enwiki (she/they | talk) 02:08, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Rising Circle

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Tagged as an unmentioned meme. No mention of "rising" or "circle" at the target article. This is a lot more broad than the other similar titles representing logo memes. Rising Sun is a slightly better target because at least that indicates a rising circle and material which is specific to this search term, but still not a great location because Rising Sun does not mention "circle" at all, even if the sun is generally depicted as a circle. Perhaps there's some geometrical articles to which this title might apply, but as a redirect to Paramount Television, this does not give insight to readers at this time. Utopes (talk / cont) 19:49, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

erm actually the sun is an oblate spheroid :hand_pointing_up: :nerd:

Benevolent and Malevolent Rectangle

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No mention of "benevolent", "malevolent", or "rectangle" at the target article. These redirects do not give context behind their search terms for general geometry, and without info about this material, these are not helpful as redirects. Utopes (talk / cont) 19:46, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Blue Mountain of Doom

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Tagged as an unmentioned meme. No mention of "blue", "mountain", nor "doom" at the target article. Also see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 April 23#Dark Mountain (logo) from April 2024 and Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 29#Killer Mountain (logo) from October 2024, each resulting in delete. Utopes (talk / cont) 19:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Closet Killer

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Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

Per Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 21#Closet Killer, although this version was retargeted in 2023. In any case, no mention of "Closet" or "Killer" at the target article, nor was there any mention of these words when Closet Killer was deleted in March 2024. Utopes (talk / cont) 19:42, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

20th Century Fox Telecommunications

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No opinion on this, just listing it for discussion. Intrisit (talk) 19:41, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Metromedia Producers Corporation

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No opinion on this, just listing it for discussion. Intrisit (talk) 19:41, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

CBS Entertainment Productions

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No opinion on this, just listing it for discussion. Intrisit (talk) 19:41, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Fourth Syrian Republic

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Only one web page on a google search DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 17:59, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep, is a plausible search term, per Atassi, Karim (2018). "6: The Fourth Republic". Syria, the Strength of an Idea: The Constitutional Architectures of Its Political Regimes. New York: Cambridge University Press. p. 252. doi:10.1017/9781316872017. ISBN 978-1-107-18360-5. if nothing else. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 07:48, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

AOOO

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seems very ambiguous, google does not only give this as the result DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 17:29, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. My Google search gave this as a very strong primary topic without many other options, besides "aooo" being used as an onomatopoiea in some youtube video titles which wouldn't require an article anyway. In any case, no other topics go by "AOOO" on Wikipedia besides a singular mention of differently-capitalized "Aooo" on Paap-O-Meter, and it is indeed a used acronym for Archive of Our Own (AO3 / AOOO) so I don't see the issue here, if it is thought to be ambiguous with something else. Utopes (talk / cont) 19:36, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Utopes. Abbreviations up to four letters long tend to be redlinks or disambiguation pages most of the time, but this appears to be an example of redirection being preferable. J947 ‡ edits 23:15, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Third Syrian Republic

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Technically, it's still the second republic, and acc to a google search, negligible amount of web pages(<10) think otherwise. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 17:12, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Dehradun Municipal Corporation election

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Seems to have been created by mistake. There was no 2024 Dehradun Municipal Corporation election. Cremastra (u — c) 15:40, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Personbil 8

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Seems to be a separate, but related, thing used in the Swedish military (sv:Personbil 8). Since it's not discussed at the target, this should be deleted. Cremastra (u — c) 15:38, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

One Step Away (video game)

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Implausible incorrect name for "One Move Away" that I don't see any usage of. Cremastra (u — c) 15:36, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Garland war

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I can't find evidence of this or "guerra guirnalda" as an alternative name, and it doesn't seem to be a plausible mistake. Cremastra (u — c) 15:35, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Christian Social and Anti-Semitic Party

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Does not seem to be a legitimate alternative name. Also, might this violate WP:RNEUTRAL? I assumed not since they actually were antisemitic. Cremastra (u — c) 15:27, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2026 Kazakhstan Premier League

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Not mentioned at target in any capacity, making it a misleading redirect for anybody searching for this title. Delete as WP:TOOSOON. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:26, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. TheTechie@enwiki (she/they | talk) 00:44, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Trump nominations for independent agencies

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These have significant pre-merge edit history for Political appointments of the first Trump administration, but this title does not differentiate between first or second term. Not sure whether to redirect it to 1st term article or to the disambiguation page. Should we move it to a title mentioning "first presidency" without leaving a redirect? —CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 21:41, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of Mario series games

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Out of all of the redirects to the target page, my question these two redirects due their inclusion of the word "series" in their titles. in the nutshell, the target page includes games that are not part of the Super Mario game series or the Mario franchise. For these reasons and since these redirects are video game specific, I'm proposing these redirects be retargeted to Super Mario. Steel1943 (talk) 14:47, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

List of cameos of the Mario series

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No such list or topic in target article. Steel1943 (talk) 14:40, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all per nom or retarget to a specific heading if applicable. Also, if only 2 or 3 exists, won't 2 act as 3 and vice versa? TheTechie@enwiki (she/they | talk) 02:10, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Mushroom Kingdoom

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Due to the notability in the universe of the target subject, this redirect is a highly unlikely misspelling for "Mushroom Kingdom". In fact, most third-party sources for the exact term of the redirect, seem to be about fanfiction subjects that may or may not be related to the properly spelled subject. Steel1943 (talk) 14:36, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete it may be a plausible typo, but I don't see any reason to keep it. TheTechie@enwiki (she/they | talk) 00:45, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Mushroom Kingdom

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Bringing this up for discussion after discovering that Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mushroom Kingdom occurred in April 2024, which established a consensus to redirect this title to Super Mario. I retargeted this redirect to Mario (franchise) As a more plausible target, given that the subject of the redirect is part of the franchise as a whole, not just the video game series. In addition, the franchise article seems to contain more information about the subject of this redirect than the series article. In other words, my vote here is keep, but I'm bringing this up for discussion because it seems like consensus for this is necessary. Steel1943 (talk) 14:29, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per nom. Retargets must occur at RFD and not AFD. TheTechie@enwiki (she/they | talk) 02:11, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

List of Mario series locations

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Target section no longer exists, and no such information is in the target article. However, looks like this title had history as an article for a few months in 2007 before being subject to a WP:BLAR. Steel1943 (talk) 14:20, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator comment: For what it's worth, it does not seem that there is such a list in Mario (franchise) either, though there are some settings sporadically mentioned throughout the article in places which would not seem to validate this redirect being targeted to any of them. Steel1943 (talk) 14:33, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

米国

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Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

Japanese is not relevant to the target. Delete as a redirect in a language other than English to a page whose subject is unrelated to that language (point 8 of WP:R#DELETE)/per WP:RFOREIGN). Noting that the previous discussion was closed as a trainwreck, with the closer asking that these be renominated individually. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:41, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Redirects from Russian to United States

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Delete as redirects in a language other than English to a page whose subject is unrelated to that language (point 8 of WP:R#DELETE)/per WP:RFOREIGN). Noting that the previous discussion was closed as a trainwreck, with the closer asking that these be renominated individually. I'm bundling these two together as they are both from Russian. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:37, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2025 Cincinnati Bengals season

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Current target is useless. Delete and re-create as an actual article once we have some info about the 2025 Bengals season. Same goes for every other team except the Buffalo Bills, which was deleted after an earlier discussion. 🦬 Beefaloe 🦬 (talk) 11:25, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. TheTechie@enwiki (she/they | talk) 00:46, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dub dub

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This is unmentioned at the target, which has a disambiguatory hatnote to Worldwide Developers Conference where this phrase is also unmentioned. How unhelpful Search results are dominated by Rub-a-dub-dub, with Dubstep a potential target at a stretch. What's it to be? I suggest delete is probably the best course of action, unless there's a proper mention or explanation for the redirection to this target, the hatnoted target, or any other article. J947 ‡ edits 05:37, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nigga stole my bike

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Old meme which is not mentioned in either article. Both redirects originally pointed to List of YTMND fads which had this meme as an entry, but that list was made into a redirect long ago. 1857a (talk) 04:23, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

3rd redirect added later on 2 January. 1857a (talk) 23:36, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • steal the redirects' bikes per nom. at the moment, this seems to be stuck in the limbo of "things that have slipped into 'jokes everyone just kinda gets' territory so there's not much chance of them being covered", along with aran ryan. or google just doesn't want to give me anything usable consarn (formerly cogsan) 12:18, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

List of Star Trek: The Next Generation characters

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Would List of Star Trek: The Next Generation cast members be a better target? Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 03:56, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • When I created this redirect I was actually moving the page back to its original, correct title. It was confusingly moved to this title which made less sense, and I considered nominating it for deletion myself. It can point elsewhere too, I really have no clear idea of what to do with it. Tduk (talk) 04:28, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

List of Billboard Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums number ones of 2025

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The target doesn't include lists of number one hits per year, let alone number one hits from 2025. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 03:46, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as it expands to more than albums; extended plays and compilations. Darrion N. Brown 🙂 (my talk page / my sandbox) 22:37, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wrench size

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'Wrench size' is mentioned at the target, but as someone unfamiliar with wrenches, I'm not sure if this is what I would expect. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 03:14, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I moved the page and probably should not have left a redirect. I have edited the only two links to "wrench size" — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 09:13, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Jelping-Ja-Oyka

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'Jelping-Ja-Oyka' is not mentioned at the target, and I'm not finding reliable, independent sources that connect the two. Most sources naming 'Jelping-Ja-Oyka' appear to be user-generated and/or cite Wikipedia. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 02:59, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per the deletion discussion for Jelping-Ja-Oyka, it was established that Jelping-Ja-Oyka is not a real name for this deity that is known as Yalpus-Oyka/Konsyg-Oyka. There was no consensus to delete the page and one editor suggested moving the page to Yalpus-Oyka instead of deleting the page and remaking the article. Jaguarnik (talk) 08:39, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Alberteum Aedes Scientiae

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Based on a Google search, "Alberteum - Aedes Scientiae" is related to the Brussels Planetarium. Per WorldFairs.info, the planetarium 'complemented' the alberteum at the 1935 World Fair. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 02:55, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It is indeed, the current planentarium is a rebuilt of the Alberteum Jhowie_Nitnek (talk) 09:01, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Angular precision

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"Angular precision" is not mentioned at the target, though I'm certain "Angular precision" is related to something somewhere! Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 02:50, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

List of mayors of Bhopal

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There is no such list at the target. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 02:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment, I concur the redirect is misleading in its current form. Still, does contain history back to 2021. This page existed as a standalone article until 2 days ago (December 31st), when it was BLAR'd and remade at the target of this redirect. Utopes (talk / cont) 19:29, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Triple dub

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Delete. It appears to be an outdated slang term that saw some use in the earlier days of the Internet but has largely faded into obscurity. A Google search shows three entries on Urban Dictionary for the phrase, and essentially nothing else. It also appears to be the name of an obscure rapper, which may well be a slightly more popular topic. Regardless, this redirect has gotten a whopping zero page views in the last month, so the course of action seems clear. Anonymous 02:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Chimera (EP)

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A quick Google search shows that Marie Digby is not the only artist with an EP titled Chimera. For instance, Chris Pureka also has a Chimera EP. Should we DAB? Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 02:30, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Xenopronoun

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When this term is used in online MOGAI circles, it seems to refer to a kind of neopronoun that are unable to be understood by humans[1][2][3] (While I know that these sources are unreliable, there aren't really any reliable sources that discuss this topic). The current target links to "nounself pronouns", which are a different category. JJPMaster (she/they) 02:01, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete By their very nature, Xenopronouns aren't currently known by humans. User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 04:40, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment many such reliable sources exist proving it is a thing. Saying things like Xenopronouns aren't currently known by humans isn't a very good argument. TheTechie@enwiki (she/they | talk) 02:13, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Significa Liberdade. TheTechie@enwiki (she/they | talk) 00:47, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Many people use this term to mean nounself pronouns or even neopronouns in general, typically because they don't know this specific definition, which is possibly a recoining or reinvention. I couldn't check what's the meaning these sources are using. It's a brief mention, only a source with a lot of microlabels and neologisms would use this meaning or know this lore. Skemous (talk) 02:38, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Daffodils

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Delete? This was an article about a Swedish band, but it was turned into a redirect. The article had no references to establish notability (there were external links to MySpace and the band's webpage). Swedish Wikipedia has an article (), but none of the sources there look to me to be sufficient to establish notability. Plantdrew (talk) 01:33, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

6 April 1992

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Does not appear to be the primary topic on a quick google news Wikipedia search, and the war was not a one-day event, making this redirect highly unlikely. Delete. -1ctinus📝🗨 00:05, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to a heading explaining the start of the Bosnian War. TheTechie@enwiki (she/they | talk) 02:14, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
April 1992 has a mainspace target. Skemous (talk) 02:41, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Târnavele Blaj

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Not mentioned in target. Quick google suggests this is a location(?) in Blaj, doesn't point to the team. Rusalkii (talk) 21:28, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

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CNN This Morning

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Someone created this redirect to CNN This Morning with Kasie Hunt and moved the original article that was at this title to CNN This Morning (2022) without any discussion. All the articles that linked to that original CNN This Morning article are now redirecting to the wrong page. Any ideas? Limmidy (talk) 22:29, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Dab per IP starting with 65. TheTechie@enwiki (she/they | talk) 02:15, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

January 1

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Direct order

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Not mentioned in target. Too general of a term to redirect to this specific concept - could be a non-military order, or a shipping order. Rusalkii (talk) 22:36, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

KPSR (FM)

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Not mentioned in target. Cannot find any sources referring to the target this way. Rusalkii (talk) 22:32, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Angry dad

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Could also refer to another Simpsons episode: Angry Dad: The Movie; where 'Angry Dad' is the central plot point to both of them. This could be turned into a disambiguation or a section on List of recurring The Simpsons characters. Xeroctic (talk) 19:33, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Term End Exam

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Not mentioned at target; does not seem specific to West Point. Was a 2-line unsourced stub from 2009 that was immediately redirected, would be highly unlikely to survive Afd. Possible retarget possibilities include exam#final exam, but the lowercase term end exam or even term exam don't exist, so deletion is probably best. Mdewman6 (talk) 17:48, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Did

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It's not clear whether or not any primary subject has been specified. KOLANO12 3 14:18, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Meat and potatoes

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This is currently a soft redirect to Wiktionary, which discusses this solely as an idiom. However, this is also a culinary term referring to a class of dishes (see Category:Meat and potatoes dishes, so I don't think the Wiktionary entry covers all of what would be needed here. Hog Farm Talk 03:41, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete as an WP:XY, maybe even with the possibility for its own article (maybe there's a better target? but not seeing one). A Wiktionary redirect doesn't really address the problem here. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 17:21, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • This should be an article, but barring that, delete per nom. charlotte 👸🎄 21:21, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. There's nothing stopping any editor writing an article at the title. It's not WP:XY as a figurative expression, and there's no reason to delete it. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:50, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Soft redirects to Wiktionary are almost always harmful. They pollute the search dropdown box and impede searching within Wikipedia, and the target offers no encyclopedic content, despite the fact that WP is an encyclopedia, and not a dictionary. A plain search will still offer a link to Wiktionary for a term that has an entry there, so there's really nothing lost by getting rid of this. Soft redirects also produce blue links instead of red, leading a reader to think there might be more information at the target, when there is in fact none. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 17:25, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Beamos

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Not mentioned in target. QuicoleJR (talk) 21:21, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

B***h

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Unnecessary censorship and not a likely search term. Also, nothing at the target includes any type of censored term. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:27, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

GX9

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There's a camera model called the Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX9 which is commonly called the GX9 for short, and if I google "GX9", the majority of the search results on the front page are for the camera model and not the music group (which has been disbanded since several years ago). Now I'm just not sure whether to turn GX9 (all upper-caps) into a disambiguation page or to retarget it to the camera model. — AP 499D25 (talk) 07:47, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Snou Strait

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This was created as the result of this deletion discussion but the problem remains that I found no evidence that anyone uses this transliteration of the supposed Russian, if only because it's supposedly named after a Mr. Snow, whose name was therefore supposedly transliterated into Russian. We really need to avoid making up fake English names for things through our own transliterations, so this redirect needs to go. Mangoe (talk) 13:04, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep Regardless of the validity of this spelling, an article existed at this title from 2006 until last week. Since then, the spelling has been picked up by several travel sites in both Russian ([4]) and English ([5]) according to my Google searches. I think keeping is warranted given this error has now been in circulation for some time. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 13:31, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Well, the other way to look at it is that some writer here decided to make up his own transliteration which has enjoyed some extremely limited dissemination by unwary WP copiers. And therefore we should suppress that by refusing to continue to amplify this by deleting the redirect. One could argue that the correct English spelling should be the English name that the Russian is itself transliterating in the firest place, but the fact seems to remain that we don't have a legitimate authority for this. Mangoe (talk) 14:13, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would agree with you if the article hadn't persisted for so long. That is the main sticking point for me. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:41, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep. There's nothing unusual about systematic romanization from a non-Latin alphabet. Even when we decide for other reasons to prefer a different form (e.g. because of WP:COMMONNAME, or in this case because it's named after Henry James Snow in the first place), a systematic romanization remains plausible. That, along with how long an article existed at the title, leads me to default to keep. Adumbrativus (talk) 00:42, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Metropolitan city

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I think this should be returned to the previous version, but I would like a second look. I think the previous version was more helpful. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 18:16, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2015 Panthers

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Ambiguous, could reasonably refer to 2015 Pittsburgh Panthers football team (or any other sport for the Pittsburgh Panthers in 2015), 2015 Penrith Panthers season, 2015 ASI Panthers season, 2015 FIU Panthers football team, 2015 Georgia State Panthers football team, and more I'm sure. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:58, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Strong delete per nom. Vague beyond belief. -1ctinus📝🗨 02:17, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2026 PDC World Darts Championship

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Not mentioned at target, making is a misleading redirect. Delete as WP:TOOSOON. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:46, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Video clip

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While this is mentioned in the target article, and this should definitely not be deleted, I don't believe that this is the primary topic. Potential disambiguation or retarget? -1ctinus📝🗨 14:25, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

VNITED STATES

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This seems implausible to me. Does the United States have an affinity for this Latin-ish spelling in all caps that somebody would search it up? Weak Delete. -1ctinus📝🗨 14:15, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wiii

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A Raynore329 redirect that didn't get deleted in the mass deletion spree. I personally don't think this is plausible. User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 08:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to WIII per Tamzin. -1ctinus📝🗨 14:26, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Mexico City Metro Line C

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Although it was proposed in the past, there is no Line C in the MCM system and it is unlikely to exist soon. (CC) Tbhotch™ 07:31, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Terhan

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My initial take was that this was a plausible typo, but per Google this appears to be a somewhat common first name, so it may be surprising to have it redirect to the city. At the same time, there doesn't seem to be anything encyclopedic to write about it as a name. Weak delete. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|🤷) 04:11, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

FirstName LastInitial redirects for presidents

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None of these are common ways to refer to the person in question, and, with the exception of Barack O, all are ambiguous. (Barack redirects to Barack Obama; Rutherford, while an uncommon name, still has no primary topic.) Weak delete Barack O, strong delete rest. See also Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 29 § Joe B. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|🤷) 03:49, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete all These not helpful because there is no reason anyone would think these made-up abbreviations would work. How about "Donald T.", "Don T" and "Donald J.T."? Redirects cannot be a substitute for searching. Johnuniq (talk) 04:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Delete all as vague, unused bunk. -1ctinus📝🗨 14:27, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete the article for John T. Ford comes up as Images results at the top of Google and the article John T. Chambers comes up in the middle. For Barack O all the results are indeed for Obama as with Donald T. For Rutherford H most results are for Rutherford Platt but for Rutherford B only Hayes comes up. I'd definitely say the 1st and 3rd should be deletd and I'd say weakly for the others. Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:44, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Barack O, delete the rest. As Barack targets Barack Obama, "Barack O" becomes unambiguous and pointing at the correct location. "[First name] [Last initial]" is a common way of searching for names, but the only requirement at that point is that the combination needs to be unambiguously pointing at the right location for it to work well. For Barack O, it is. For the rest, it is not, and thereby the rest can be deleted.
(People who are unfamiliar with the targets of redirects might assume the first name of "Barack" is ambiguous, and might add the letter "O" for good measure to make sure they end up at the right location. To that end, this particular title can assist searches.) Utopes (talk / cont) 19:15, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Definitely delete John T (John Travolta?) and Donald T (Donald Tusk?) as way too ambiguous. Weak delete the Rutherford ones as potentially ambiguous and not very useful. No strong opinion on Barack O – seems unambiguous but isn't very useful for searching either. Virtually anyone who remembers "Barack O" will also remember the rest of the man's last name. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 04:37, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Traditional monarchy (2nd nomination)

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Delete Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy delete

"Summer"

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Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

Recently created WP:UNNATURAL quotes. Delete. -1ctinus📝🗨 00:12, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Deadliest plane crash in South Korea

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Wikipedia is not google. Redirects that are "x in x" are typically not kept. Delete. -1ctinus📝🗨 00:11, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Remember deadliest plane crash? That's a redirect to Tenerife airport disaster. If it's fine on that article, then why is "deadliest plane crash in South Korea" not fine on Jeju Air Flight 2216? TG-ARTICLE Well, if you want to talk to me, then why don't you click this button? There's also my contributions. 20:56, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Toronbo Shores

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Not mentioned in target. QuicoleJR (talk) 00:11, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep if mention is added, otherwise delete If I hadn't have had the foresight to look it up on zeldawiki, I would've treated this as a redirect to a target that makes no sense to the target. However, this IS a Zelda place that IS in TLoZ:LA (and IT'S remakes), so it might be worthy of a mention. User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 12:21, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]


December 31

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Inter-presidency of Donald Trump

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Too many levels of "huh?" going on here to know what is going on, including the double section redirect target and the lack of this term being in the target article. Steel1943 (talk) 22:12, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vietcong01

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Links to article that had fan-cruft shoved in to support this redirect. UtherSRG (talk) 12:41, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as this sounds like another act of wikilittering. 67.209.129.48 (talk) 21:13, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per @Presidentman's vote on a discussion with nearly the exact same precedent User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 10:07, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Someone-123-321: Can you link to said comment? At this moment this vote lacks any meaningful context. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:46, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 19#c-Presidentman-20241219170000-UtherSRG-20241219124100 User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 05:40, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Wading bird(s)

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Seems to me that these should point to the same target, possibly a disambiguation page. Cremastra ‹ u — c › 16:40, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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GEOTUS

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Not mentioned in target article. Apparently, it stands for "God Emperor of the United States", and humorously refers to the target, but there's no context in the target article. With all that being said, delete or weak retarget to God Emperor Trump (for reasons that are probably clear by the article name and content, but the redirect and what it means isn't specifically mentioned there either). Steel1943 (talk) 21:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete purely humorous and of no apparent relation to the statue besides sharing a name. TheTechie@enwiki (she/they | talk) 23:09, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ryan Andrew Quigley

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No reliable source shows 'Andrew' as the middle name. Red Director (talk) 21:18, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:EC

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Since so many things could be explained by EC, why not disambiguate to the following: 1. Edit count 2. Extended confirmed users 3. Extended confirmed protection 4. Edit conflict TheTechie@enwiki (she/they | talk) 20:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hee hee

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Seems to be an apparent joke. Yes, it is true that "hee hee" is often repeated in the target page's subject's songs, but that does not justify keeping for a redirect for that. TheTechie@enwiki (she/they | talk) 19:05, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I merged the discussion for Hee Hee into this one, no good reason for them to be separate. @TheTechie, SNUGGUMS, Crouch, Swale, and Emir of Wikipedia: Since this merge slightly affected your comments (but probably not your stances), feel free to fix any blunder I may have made but didn't see. Steel1943 (talk) 21:44, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the ping. My comment was basically to say the same applies for them both, so no blunder has arisen from the merge. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 21:46, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Steel1943 Thanks! Appreciate you merging it. Doesn't look like you've made any mistakes as far as I can see. TheTechie@enwiki (she/they | talk) 21:47, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fine by me. In fact, I debated merging the threads myself before you did so. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 05:19, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Go ahead I don't remember making the uncapitalized one lol CheeseyHead (talk) 01:16, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I Saw It: The Atomic Bombing of Hiroshima: A Surivor's True Story

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49 straight characters correctly typed out of a book's full title and you mess up by forgetting a v? And type the rest out correctly? Delete this implausible typo. mwwv converse∫edits 18:55, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. TheTechie@enwiki (she/they | talk) 19:07, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom; I also created a redirect for the correct title. Link20XX (talk) 19:59, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Surivors: The Original Series

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One of the two "surivor" redirects. Doesn't seem to be all too plausible of a typo. mwwv converse∫edits 18:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. TheTechie@enwiki (she/they | talk) 19:08, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chasca

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Change to disambiguation page due to zero mentions of the term "Chasca" anywhere in the target article. Chasca (Salvadoran folklore) was already on the redirect page before my proposal. Another entry for the proposed disambiguation page would be List of Genshin Impact characters#Chasca. HKLionel (talk) 18:40, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguate between two possible listed targets. TheTechie@enwiki (she/they | talk) 19:08, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Iansan

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Change to disambiguation page due to the presence of Iansan, a Genshin Impact character. HKLionel (talk) 18:13, 31 December 2024 (UTC) Proposal modified: Redirect instead to List of Genshin Impact characters#Iansan; no direct mention of the term "Iansan" anywhere in target article, closest terms are "Yàńsàn", "Iansá", "Iansã" and "Ìyáńsàn", none of which justify a redirect - and even if they do, not justified over direct usage of "Iansan" in the character's name. I could also argue that the character has more modern relevance than the deity, but not my main point. HKLionel (talk) 18:26, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

La Muerte y la brújula

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Redirect from a film title to a List of Country films of YYYY list, for a film not appearing at all in that list to provide any context for why it redirects there. The country-by-year film lists are not the preferred target for film title redirects, further, so just adding it to the list isn't the solution here. Bearcat (talk) 16:52, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Trump the sequel

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The only sites that mention a sequel to Trump are non-notable extremely right-leaning websites Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 07:04, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

as cool as it is that people can have sequels, donald trump 2: orange you glad he's back? isn't mentioned yet, so delete per nom cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:34, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
> as cool as it is that people can have sequels, donald trump 2: orange you glad he's back? isn't mentioned yet
a quote for the books Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 12:00, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • hmm, let's have a look at the citations in order, even though i'm absolutely no expert on burgerland political systems
    1. doesn't directly refer to his second presidency as a sequel. rather, it seems to be about his wacky hijinks in the not burning the world department
    2. i guess "the trump sequel" is close enough
    3. evidently refers to it as a sequel as a joke, but it's probably good enough
    4. seems to refer to everything about the presidency and how people are handling it, except what the annoying orange will actually do. also evidently refers to those effects as a sequel as a joke, but it probably works
    5. "hollywood's trump resistance: the sequel" is not the same as "trump: the sequel"
    6. oh, it's an episode of a tv program. hate that that's how i finally pieced it together, but it's about that episode, and not necessarily the presidency
    overall, i'm starting to think a better option would be returning to red until that episode of panorama is covered, though an astronomically weak keep would work as a second option cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 23:15, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    wait, what do you MEAN that episode was released in march!? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 23:16, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merkur XR4TiMerkur XR4Ti

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Procedural nomination since it was PRODded but PRODs are not allowed on redirects. Reason left by @Kumboloi: Title appears to be a typing error. No pages link here. mwwv converse∫edits 14:42, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nomDelete per nom. jlwoodwa (talk) 23:48, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Doreen Welsh

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Not mentioned at target, though they occur in other places like National_Air_and_Space_Museum_Trophy#Recipients_for_Current_Achievement and Sully_Sullenberger#Post-flight_accolades_and_publicity. 1234qwer1234qwer4 12:35, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Johnson (soccer)

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Ambiguous target, as there are multiple association football/soccer players with surname Johnson, as per List of people with surname Johnson. No evidence that people would be primarily looking for a 1904 Olympian (when the Olympics was not a big deal) over any other soccer player with that surname. Retarget to List of people with surname Johnson#Sports or delete would be better. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:30, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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GRFJ

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Does not give a single result for Ford on searching, even with the words 'person' or 'president' added DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 08:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Googling GRFJ gives me stuff like "Get Ready for Japan", a stock ticker symbol for a company called "Group 5", and various social media profiles. Nothing remotely related to Gerald Ford. 🦬 Beefaloe 🦬 (talk) 11:04, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

JECJ

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Searching for this does not give a single result for Carter, even with 'person' or 'president' added. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 08:28, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as per my comment on GRFJ above, it's mostly used for stuff with no relation to Jimmy Carter whatsoever. 🦬 Beefaloe 🦬 (talk) 11:05, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Great Mosque of Elsett

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Not mentioned in target; I can't find any uses of this phrase anywhere or what "Elsett" is in this context. Rusalkii (talk) 06:57, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW the creator of the page (Hujjat al-Umari (talk · contribs)) was blocked for socking. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 21:44, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete "Elsett" in this context is a quirky romanisation of الست 'the lady' in several Arabic dialects. It's the same word for example as in the nearby Qabr Essit, or the alternative name Sitt Zaynab mentioned in the lead of Sayyidah Zaynab itself. That said, even in Arabic مسجد الست 'mosque of the lady' is ambiguous, and in English this exact phrase "Great Mosque of (El/Al/Es/As) (Sitt/Sett/Sit/Set)" seems totally unused, with zero Google or Google Books hits for any of the various plausible romanisations. 59.149.117.119 (talk) 23:22, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, neither Elsett, nor any varieties of such are mentioned at the target. Utopes (talk / cont) 19:04, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Tradiční Lovecký salám

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lovecký salám (hunting salami, apparently) is mentioned in the article, but not necessarily its "traditional" variant. has incoming links, but their classification as traditional seems to be unsourced and not necessarily correct cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:43, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

should mention that lovecký salám already exists, so the links could easily be fixed, if any fixing needs to be done cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:46, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Lovecký salám was applied for as a EU Traditional Speciality Guaranteed-product (TSG). That means that -in order to use the name- all products in the EU have to be produced according to the specs provided in the application. following opposition, the name Tradiční Lovecký salám was accepted as a TSG (see here). That means that one can use the name Lovecký salám without regards to what the product looks like, but Tradiční Lovecký salám is subject to the characteristics in the description. The name is therefore worth a redirect as people may be interested and this is the closest page we can offer. Having said that, the current characterisation of Lovecký salám as a TSG i incorrect; and I will change that. An alternative is redirecting to List of traditional specialities guaranteed by country, but for me that feels too generic... L.tak (talk) 09:29, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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corrected the page now in line with what I stated. Thanks for bringing the oversight to my attention. L.tak (talk) 22:36, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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0-3-5

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No mentions of these numbers in the target article. 2A0E:1D47:9085:D200:E9BC:B9ED:405A:596B (talk) 19:56, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

delete, essentially per nom. no opposition to keeping it if a reliable source can be found and inserted into the article, but as is, i'm not in the mood to rely on already knowing a joke to figure out why a redirect exists consarn (formerly cogsan) 01:44, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
also pretty lucky that it's 0-3-5. if it was 0-2-5, results would be 99% btd6 consarn (formerly cogsan) 01:45, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Consarn. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:36, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete as confusing. If I didn't know what this was and got a song with no explanation in the article I would feel even more confused, and expect this would be true for most people searching for it it. Rusalkii (talk) 07:08, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

TikTok Rizz Party

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Not mentioned at the current target. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 04:33, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per IP starting with 35 and nom. TheTechie@enwiki (she/they | talk) 21:55, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

YV (rapper)

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We only have a passing mention of him in the target, and this redirect misleads potential YV fans into thinking we have more about him than we actually do Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 06:58, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep I can't see how anyone is misled. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 20:18, 22 December 2024 (UTC).[reply]

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.ko hell

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I am assuming this refers to .ko files. I wasn't able to find usage of the phrase ".ko hell" and it isn't mentioned in the target. Rusalkii (talk) 04:22, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For the record, after nomination I found Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2024_December_2#So_hell, which closed as keep for .so hell to the same target. Rusalkii (talk) 04:25, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:CURRENT YEAR

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This redirect is one space away from the magic word {{CURRENTYEAR}}. But it redirects to {{CURRENTISOYEAR}}, which apparently uses a calendar system where the year is currently 2025. Four of the five template-space usages seemed to be erroneous: [20] [21] [22] [23]. I have no opinions on retargeting vs replacing the remaining usage and deleting, but as-is, I think this is an entirely unnecessary footgun. — Mdaniels5757 (talk • contribs) 00:21, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: @Mdaniels5757: As of this comment, this redirect has 179 transclusions, not just the 1 in the template space. (I found a few where {{CURRENT YEAR}} is hardcoded in the article itself.) Best solution here to avoid anything breaking is to replace all transclusions with either the current target or the proposed target prior to this discussion being closed. Steel1943 (talk) 00:28, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I thought I was fast enough with my stealth edit. Guess not! :) That sounds good to me. — Mdaniels5757 (talk • contribs) 00:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Mdaniels5757: You were! I had an edit conflict, but I had to add "in the template space" to my comment after rereading your comment. Either way though, the nominated redirect is hardcoded in some articles, so the transclusions will have to be reevaluated after any of the pages which transclude the templates you edited are purged. Steel1943 (talk) 00:34, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

December 30

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Individual 1

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Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

Not mentioned in the target article, and the target section does not exist (anymore). My first consideration was to "refine" to Donald Trump#Mueller investigation since they seems to be what the current target is meant to refer, but the issue of the redirects not being mentioned in the target article still exists. Other options I found were the articles Mueller special counsel investigation and Mueller report, but the redirects do not seem to be mentioned there either. However, this is an alternative name that has several sources ... not sure what the best path is here, but my thoughts are, in order of preference, delete (due to lack of mention), retarget to Donald Trump (remove the section redirect), retarget to Donald Trump#Muller investigation (but it's not mentioned there), or retarget to Mueller special counsel investigation and Mueller report (no mention at either one, my stance is equal on both). Steel1943 (talk) 23:55, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Early life and career of Donald Trump

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In the target article's current state, the title of this redirect creates a potential WP:XY issue since the target section does not exist and the plausible section correction, Donald Trump#Early life and education, does not have any information about a "career". My first thought to fix this was to retarget to Donald Trump (remove the section redirect) since technically both subjects are in the target article somewhere, but since there seems to be no specific section to target this redirect, I decided to bring this redirect up for discussion since "delete" (weak delete for me) could be an option per the aforementioned WP:XY issue. Steel1943 (talk) 23:36, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Religious views of Donald Trump

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The target section no longer exists. The target article does not seem to contain the specific subject referenced by these redirects: Words beginning with "relig*" exist in the article, but where these words are do not seem to provide information to satisfy readers who are searching these phrases. And ... there does not seem to be a standalone article to target these redirects. (Also, for what it's worth, none of these redirects are {{R from history}} or {{R from merge}}.) Steel1943 (talk) 23:27, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

House tree

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Implausible. C F A 22:48, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete there are significantly more house trees (which I'm assuming are trees that are grown inside a back garden) than tree houses (which are platforms built ONTO a tree that resemble a house) User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 00:00, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rfpp

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Unnecessary cross-namespace redirect. C F A 22:36, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RfPP redirects there, I think this should be kept. Heyaaaaalol (talk) 22:38, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've bundled RfPP into the nomination. They are both unnecessary and not exclusive to Wikipedia. C F A 22:43, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's the 2nd result on Google JayCubby 22:48, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The second result for me is Reserve Fund Planning Program. WP:RFPP does not show up until the second page. C F A 22:50, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Huh! JayCubby 05:09, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Moby cock

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Delete Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: deleted

Ainmay Agepay

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Delete Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: deleted

Face Shrine

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Not mentioned in target. QuicoleJR (talk) 21:53, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jimmy Carter's rabbit

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Could be misleading since the subject of the target article is not a rabbit that was owned by Jimmy Carter. Compare this to the possibility of redirecting Jimmy Carter's UFO to Jimmy Carter UFO incident, which is equally as misleading. Steel1943 (talk) 21:51, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Scenic and Wild

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Without additional qualification, these terms seem a bit too broad and U.S.-centric to make good redirects to this specific topic. The ones lacking "river" in particular could refer to many different things. "National Scenic Waterways" is not a term described at target. Delete all. Mdewman6 (talk) 02:27, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

delete per nom cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:57, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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2024 AP Poll

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Seems ambigous but I'm not totally sure what would be a better target. Could refer to 2024–25 NCAA Division I men's basketball rankings, 2023–24 NCAA Division I men's basketball rankings, 2023–24 NCAA Division I women's basketball rankings, 2024–25 NCAA Division I women's basketball rankings. But college football is the only one that only uses 2024. Esolo5002 (talk) 04:23, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The drafted page could be a WP:SIA under a title like 2024 NCAA Division I rankings, and 2024 AP poll could be an {{R from avoided double redirect}} to it. Jay 💬 07:47, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep but also okay with the disambiguation page that was created. Of the sports that have an AP poll, college football is the only one that uses a single year for the season, while college basketball is a winter sport that is always two years (e.g. "2023-2024"), so the "2024 AP Poll" seems to clearly be the football one (while e.g. "2023-2024 AP poll" should be a disambig for the two basketball polls). Not against a disambiguation, as it's certainly better than deletion. I am pretty skeptical that people typing in 2024 AP Poll would be looking for an Andhra Pradesh election. Legoktm (talk) 06:45, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Peanutgate

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Not mentioned in target article, making the connection between the target and the redirect unclear. In addition, third party search engines seem to associate this phrase with Peanut the squirrel for some reason, but the redirect isn't mentioned in that article either. Steel1943 (talk) 20:40, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I'd assume it refers to the handling of Jimmy Carter's peanut farm while it was placed in a blind trust, but couldn't tell you for sure. – Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 21:36, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Refine to § Allegations and investigations, with a hatnote to Peanut the squirrel . The terms seems to be used by the media to refer to the investigations on Jimmy Carter's peanut farm. [24][25]
However, it is also used to describe the Peanut the squirrel incident. [26][27] Ca talk to me! 07:17, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

BlueAir

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This revision essentially states why this redirection is unclear: The version of this phrase without a space seems to more commonly refer to the brand of air purifiers owned by Unilever. Redirecting readers to the current target with this title is misleading. With that being said, I'm not sure if delete per WP:REDLINK (the brand seems notable) or weak retarget to Unilever would be more helpful here, considering a hatnote placed on the latter may be a bit confusing since there's no real clear place in Unilever to place a respective hatnote referring readers to the nominated redirect's current target, though the redirect is currently mentioned in Unilever. Steel1943 (talk) 20:30, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nick Begich, Jr.

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There are a lot of mentions of this guy across Wikipedia, so I'm not really sure where the best target is or if there's a good target. I would propose WP:RETURNTORED, but the article at Nick Begich (author) got deleted earlier this month, so it doesn't seem like he's notable as of now. Possible targets include the current one and HAARP#Conspiracy theories (where there are claims of a merge to at the AFD, and at least it sounds like there used to be a redirect to there, but I can't see the page history and it feels like a weird target). I would probably keep as-is, but I figured it was worth a nomination. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 16:49, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chick-Fila

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Keep Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

PITNOL

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As below, no evidence that this song is referred to by either of these initialisms. 2A0E:1D47:9085:D200:E9BC:B9ED:405A:596B (talk) 18:58, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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アメリカ

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This is the Japanese word for "United States". The current target is unlikely to be what an ordinary reader is trying to find for when they type this into the search box. Retarget to Names of the United States#Names in the Asian cultural sphere where discussed; compare previous discussions on 미국 and 美利坚合众国. 59.149.117.119 (talk) 10:11, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hindh

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"Hindh" isn't mentioned in that section (or anywhere, really). This would be borderline CSDable since there IS technically a prior consensus, but it's not the same target as it was when the previous discussion happened User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 05:22, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Cilla Single

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Can't find where Ben Frank ever used this as a pseudonym. TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 00:55, 20 November 2024 (UTC) — TeapotsOfDoom (talk · contribs) is a confirmed sock puppet of Okmrman (talk · contribs). [reply]

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Best Comedy Series

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Other "Best Comedy Series" awards exist, either using that exact title (Canadian Screen Award for Best Comedy Series, International Emmy Award for Best Comedy Series) or very similar wording (Primetime Emmy Award for Outstanding Comedy Series, Golden Globe Award for Best Television Series – Musical or Comedy). Suggest disambiguation. RunningTiger123 (talk) 03:31, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Baltimore

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either retarget to WP:WikiProject Maryland/Baltimore task force or WP:Meetup/Baltimore or disambiguate; it's weird to point to one specific meetup and no incoming links. charlotte 👸🎄 02:20, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Proteen

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I could only find mostly NN brand names from a search for "Proteen", and one single YouTube account. Couldn't find anything about people misspelling "protein" as this User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 11:42, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete I also can't find evidence of this being even an uncommon misspelling of protein and there are legitimate reasons to search the specific 'proteen' spelling. It would be a small net negative to cover up search results with such an uncommon (though plausible) spelling error. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Synpath (talk • contribs) 03:41, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete; seems to be an ambiguous misspelling. Readers can find the correct spelling of protein before going to Wikipedia, and there are other topics which seem to be described as "proteen" with this specific spelling. Utopes (talk / cont) 18:56, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete due to the ambiguity issues shown by 35.139. If you hear "protein" for the first time you're probably going to spell it something like "proteen", but that is insufficient justification IMO to take the reader away from the quite helpful search results. J947 ‡ edits 23:52, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Johnny Woo (comics)

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Redirected to the current target in 2019, but now not mentioned there. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:30, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Freak off

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I just removed an unsourced mention of this phrase at target. Even if a source were added, they're not the same thing: Per [28], there are allegations of sexual exploitation at the White Parties, but that's distinct from the alleged freak-offs in hotel rooms. If there's a place this should target, it's Sean Combs sexual misconduct allegations, but currently "Freak-off" only appears in citations there. If mentioned in the body of that article, I'd support a retarget. Else, delete. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|🤷) 03:03, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This does seem to be genuinely used as a term to refer to the Diddy Parties, as is reported by reliable sources with respect to the lawsuit. So it's used, and it seems to be a reasonable search term for something related to this. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 06:27, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Studio Hamburg

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Studio Hamburg is an existing production company in Germany. See its German language article at de:Studio Hamburg. The existence of the incorrect redirect here forces an error when using the standard interlanguage link template when one attempts to create an ill to the German Wikipedia article 'Studio Hamburg'. Doprendek (talk) 00:43, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. Wandsbek Studios was renamed to Studio Hamburg in 1961, per the article content at Wandsbek Studios. Unfortunately, we don't have anything on the English Wikipedia at this time for de:Studio Hamburg (to my understanding). In the absence of specific material, redirects on the English Wikipedia should point to English Wikipedia pages that exist, not German pages that we would like to exist on the English Wikipedia. When material related to de:Studio Hamburg is added to the English Wikipedia, the redirect can be disambiguated. Utopes (talk / cont) 18:53, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

December 29

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2014–15 Vitória de Guimarães B season

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As far as the history of this article shows, it cites no sources for a rather incomplete piece of content. Furthermore, it's a page with no relevance whatsoever, so there's no point in continuing these redirects in the Wikipedia project. We're talking about a page that contains 8/9 redirects without any sense of existence (but they still comment that redirects are cheap!). So let's add more... what a joke of a comment). 44 Gabriel (talk) 23:40, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Again did any of you see the content of that pages? I'm sure not...
The article only has a set of incomplete tables with results and a short description. There is no reference to the information. So I don't see the relevance of these 8/9 redirects without any useful purpose for the wiki project. In fact, only 2 redirects have a history, the rest are invented
So I don't understand how do you continues to say that there is no articulated reason and that these are relevant redirects! So I ask, should redirect pages be created for the remaining seasons of the remaining clubs since this is so important? 44 Gabriel (talk) 14:25, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Reasons for deletion
- Redundant or otherwise useless templates
- Articles for which thorough attempts to find reliable sources to verify them have failed
-Articles with subjects that fail to meet the relevant notability guidelines (WP:N, WP:GNG, WP:BIO, WP:MUSIC, WP:CORP, and so forth) 44 Gabriel (talk) 14:40, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Joe B

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Ambiguous, lots of people named Joe B, with this not even been the top search result (at least for me). Also, not how anyone searches for his name. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 17:33, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom - too ambiguous to be helpful. BugGhost 🦗👻 17:37, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

H.S.T.

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Retarget Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Breathing (noise reduction)

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Not mentioned at target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 10:26, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I searched around a little bit and I believe these redirects are referring to literally making pumps and breathing less loud. However, the current target is about a computer science concept, and I could not find a mention in related articles. Ca talk to me! 13:54, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@Kvng: Your vote was keep, meaning you wanted both redirects to keep targeting Noise reduction even without the nomination concern of the target having no mention. But you also talked about improving Pumping (audio). How is it related to the redirect discussion? Jay 💬 08:04, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I suggested Pumping (audio) could be improved to discuss pumping for noise reduction systems and then I neglected to suggest that both Pumping (noise reduction) and Breathing (noise reduction) could then redirect there. An alternative is to improve Noise reduction to mention pumping. My suggestions for improvements are based on my professional expertise in this area. I'm not immediately able to find sources that could support these suggested improvements. This area is underdeveloped but that doesn't mean we should delete redirects to likely search topics, WP:DEMOLISH. ~Kvng (talk) 15:21, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Just Dance 6

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All should be deleted. They seem to be extrapolations of Just Dance 5, which was the working title for (and thus a valid redirect to) Just Dance 2014. However, none of these other games were ever known by these names, and later ones (such as Just Dance 14, 15, and 16) may be confused for earlier entries (Just Dance 2014, 2015, and 2016). Oh, and throw in a random draft redirect for good measure. Loytra (talk) 16:21, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hurricane Katrina (lists)

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Possibly redundant with the "lists", at least should be retargeted A1Cafel (talk) 15:24, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Retarget to List of storms named Katrina RachelTensions (talk) 16:41, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pentapotamian people

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Seems unlikely someone would use an ancient greek derived name for a group of people, especially when said group did not have an independent identity at that time. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 16:00, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pentapotamia redirects to Punjab. I added those redirects by analogy. I'm also not fully sure if that term is actually "Ancient Greek", rather than a modern calque. Pescavelho (talk) 16:21, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sources in Punjab do mention that the ancient Greeks called it that. Pentapotamia as a redirect is fine, as it refers to the region. Punjabi as an actual independent identity evolved more than a millennia after that. So these redirects do not make sense. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 16:28, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dronabinolum

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Is Dronabinol a more appropriate target? 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:11, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Adrian Dittmann

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Should be deleted if unsourced. Apokrif (talk) 14:51, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: I haven't found any sources which definitively say that Adrian Dittmann is Elon Musk. All I could find was short news articles reporting on X and Threads posts, nothing that clears WP:GNG. Bowler the Carmine | talk 20:06, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Speculation. Uhooep (talk) 20:07, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Starz Entertainment

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The original Lionsgate was renamed as "Starz Entertainment Corp." as of November 2024. Because of this renaming, we need to retarget the redirect into the newly-renamed article in preparation of actual WP:RM to more simple name, and WP:NCCORP stats that we not need to use "Corp." or "Ltd" suffix for article naming unless it had been used for legal purposes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.111.100.82 (talk • contribs) 07:42, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Round 6

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Generic title, round 6 can refer to anything, not only its original title DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 07:46, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Blunt weapon

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It's starting to look like blunt instrument may become a redirect. Either way, a blunt weapon is not the same as a blunt instrument. IMO, it should either redirect to weapon and be mentioned somewhere, or be deleted. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:10, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Yevethan thrustship

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For the same reason that I proposed that thrustship be deleted: the target section was deemed by the community to be "fancruft", and thus was removed, rendering the redirect useless. ZFT (talk) 06:24, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Brahuistan Province

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This may require an expert on the region, which I am not. Regardless, the namespace is not mentioned in the targeted section nor the entire article about administrative units of Pakistan. Brahuistan is the name of a historic region and while it has a nationalist movement, I can find no evidence that it has been proposed as a new province of Pakistan, as implied by the redirect. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 15:54, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Complex math

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Complex numbers aren't the only complex part of math though? For one, several people have lamented (publicly and privately) about how stuff like calculus and algebra are complex as well. For second, what's considered complex can be different from person to person (for example, a 6-year-old would think something like "8/4" is the hardest question ever made whereas a recreational mathematician could probably do it easily), so complex numbers might not actually be that complex to certain people. User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 09:18, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. The phrase is inherently ambiguous, and readers have better to search separately its components complex and math. — Preceding unsigned comment added by D.Lazard (talk • contribs)
  • Delete per D.Lazard. One aspect of the problem is that "complex" has a technical meaning in math (referring to the complex numbers) and a colloquial meaning in general (something like complicated or difficult). Mgnbar (talk) 13:00, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – I've bundled in Complex mathematics. J947 ‡ edits 22:52, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep: this certainly is very ambiguous between the two meanings. However, for one meaning (complex numbers) we have a good target and for the other meaning (complicated in general) we don't. Therefore I'm leaning towards this redirect being ok. J947 ‡ edits 22:52, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Additionally, unlike many areas of mathematics like calculus, geometry, etc., the study of complex numbers doesn't really have a better name as far as I know. Whilst perhaps incorrect (and therefore a {{R from incorrect name}}), "complex mathematics" is a decent guess at what it might be called. J947 ‡ edits 00:35, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, obviously. Sure, you could say there's ambiguity between "complex math" and "math that's complex" in the same way that if you wanted to you could assert there's some ambiguity between Big apple and an apple that's big. There's no article for the general concept of "math that's complicated", and even if there were, Complex number would still be the correct target for "complex math". I'd be fine with a hatnote if anyone genuinely feels there's some confusion. BugGhost 🦗👻 00:21, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Nobody uses the phrase "complex mathematics" for this. When I typed "complex mathematics" into a Google scholar search, not a single result from the first 50 meant complex in the sense of complex numbers. Most of them were about "complex mathematics" tasks in education, meaning difficult, complicated, or advanced. –jacobolus (t) 04:19, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It's a redirect, not an article title - it doesn't need to be the exact phrase scholars use. This article covers the accepted meaning of "complex" used in mathematics, and so the redirect is correct. We also don't (and probably shouldn't) have an article on the subjective concept of "difficult mathematics". BugGhost 🦗👻 08:21, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There are lots of accepted meanings of "complex" in mathematics; see below. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 03:04, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, not a phrase which is meaningful or widely used as a unit. Curious readers should be looking up "complex" in Wiktionary and "mathematics" here, or else going to complex analysis or complex number. These titles have no inbound wikilinks from article namespace, another indication that they aren't very useful. –jacobolus (t) 04:21, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    To clarify, you're suggesting that if someone knows that there's a concept in mathematics using the name "complex" and wants to learn more about it, they shouldn't be allowed to search "complex math" on wikipedia, they should instead search the first word on a different website and the second word here? Or alternatively, the user should just come into knowledge of more specific terms (complex analysis or complex number), presumably through extra research on some more accomodating website, and then search it here? How on earth would that be a good experience for a reader? Why would any of that be necessary or expected? BugGhost 🦗👻 09:11, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. If we had articles on both the technical meaning and the colloquial meaning we could make a disambiguation page, or choose a primary topic with a hatnote. But we don't (Mathematics Made Difficult doesn't count), and we don't generally let the existence of a non-notable colloquial meaning get in the way of giving articles or redirects on technical topics their correct names. In technical mathematics, this can only mean the mathematics of complex numbers (unless maybe someone trying to be cute has used it for the mathematics of cell complexes), and complex number is the correct redirect target. —David Eppstein (talk) 08:29, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    "giving articles or redirects on technical topics their correct names". Are you saying that "complex math(ematics)" is a "correct name" for "complex numbers"? ZFT (talk) 07:46, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per WP:RASTONISH (I couldn't really find somewhere more appropriate for such a vague term either). The plain meaning of this term is just difficult/technical/etc., not related to the complex numbers. A reasonable person looking for info on the complex numbers that already knows something about them will look up something like "complex numbers". A reasonable person looking for info about the topic that doesn't know anything about them will look for the term they found it referred to as, which will be something like the "complex numbers". The current target is misleading. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:06, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I really don't think it's astonishing for Complex math to redirect to the article on the well known mathematical study of complex numbers, I would think it would be astonishing if it went anywhere else. The "plain meaning" of something doesn't hold any weight for a redirect when there is an obvious specific topic that fits instead (see my Big apple vs "an apple that is big" example above). BugGhost 🦗👻 14:47, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Complex number is certainly not "an obvious specific topic" for "complex math". On the opposite, I think that many (if not most) people searching for "complex math" do not know anything of complex numbers, since people using "math" instead of "mathematics" have generally a very low mathematical level and do not know complex numbers at all. Also, when searched, "complex math" is probably written as an altenative of "difficult math" or "advanced math". So, for there readers, redirecting to complex number goes against WP:ASTONISH. D.Lazard (talk) 15:54, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    since people using "math" instead of "mathematics" have generally a very low mathematical level and do not know complex numbers at all - Is this a serious claim? Any source for that, or just a gut instinct insult? I've got a maths degree and wouldn't bat an eye at either math, maths or mathematics being used to describe it. Also, where I am from, complex numbers are taught to 14 year olds, who generally feel no elitist need to say "mathematics" all the time, but still have the ability to understand the topic. BugGhost 🦗👻 18:01, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I do have to say that I think reading anything into "math" vs. "mathematics" is inappropriate...regardless, this is an implausible, vague search topic, and if you really want to get into the weeds, who's to say that this hypothetical searcher isn't looking for Complex analysis instead? That's a whole ass branch whole-ass branch of math. And before you cry "disambiguate", no, just delete. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 19:45, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Your "Big Apple" analogy fails completely for a couple reasons -- 1) it's a very well established nickname for the city in widespread use, as opposed to "complex mathematics", which is not, and 2) people would be very unlikely to search for the topic of a large apple, whereas a search for advanced (or higher, or upper level, etc etc) mathematics is a lot more reasonable. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 19:31, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I think the likelihood of someone searching "complicated math" is as about likely as someone searching "large apples", as both terms are too vague and ill defined to be articles. I genuinely don't understand the logic of saying this redirect should be deleted because it is allegedly ambiguous with a subjective, vague topic that doesn't (and won't ever) have an article. If it is ambigous with something that isn't at all suitable to be an article then there is no ambiguity at all, and the original target should remain. BugGhost 🦗👻 01:36, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    "Complex math" isn't a topic. It's a vague phrase that nobody uses to refer to the redirect target, and a plain reading suggests it's more likely to mean higher mathematics (while we don't have an article specifically about that, we very well could...most any university math degree curriculum contains something like a "transition to higher mathematics" course) than to mathematics about the complex numbers. If you really insist on the latter, again, why the complex numbers, and not complex analysis? Or are you suggesting that this is merely a couple keywords smushed together? If that's the case, we shouldn't be redirecting based on that, but even if we should, then also why not abstract cell complex, CW complex, chain complex, complex manifold, simplicial complex, etc. etc? 35.139.154.158 (talk) 03:04, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Re: "why not a bunch of other articles with the word complex in?" - Because they are clearly not the primary topic. Complex analysis is the study of functions that use complex numbers (extension of real analysis), and so not the introductory base article for the concept of complex numbers. The rest of the articles you listed are not serious suggestions - they are arbitrary articles you picked out of a hat that no one is suggesting, and are obviously more niche and very unlikely to be what the user is trying to find when searching "complex math".
    The study of complex numbers is not a niche topic - I feel some participants are confusing the topic with a some novelty number classification, like lucky numbers or happy numbers. Complex numbers are a hugely important pillar of modern mathematics and have usages that are both influential and applied. They underpin essential concepts in signal processing, computer graphics and quantum physics (examples linked), and dozens of other fields. It is undoubtedly the primary topic. If you need evidence of this, please see David Eppstein's vote above, as his view on this topic should be given some weight. BugGhost 🦗👻 11:33, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. The study and usage of complex numbers is not normally referred to as "complex math". I agree with jacobolus (04:19, 22 December 2024). Adumbrativus (talk) 00:50, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. The term "complex" in its technical sense is used with various nouns (complex number, complex plane, complex analysis, complex conjugate, etc.). The phrase "complex math" is not much of a stretch, so it's a plausible search term for this topic. As for the colloquial sense of "complex", I agree with User:Bugghost: what would a reader be looking for? It seems unlikely that an encyclopedia would have an article on the vague and subjective topic of "math that's complicated". —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 21:57, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete, disambiguate, or hatnote. Just because "complex" has a specific meaning within mathematics, doesn't mean that "complex math" should redirect there, due to the fact that there are other possible interpretations of the phrase; redirecting "complex math" to "complex numbers" implies that the latter is the only instance of, or is synonymous with, the former. Put another way, even though "complex math" (the subjective/vague meaning) doesn't/shouldn't have it's own article, but "complex numbers" does, the latter is (arguably) a subset of the former; having a term with multiple (potential) meanings pointing to only one of several seems inappropriate to me, because that leads to incorrect assumptions/implications. A redirect should take you to the topic you are looking for, not a subset of it; if there are multiple (potential) meanings/interpretations, then a disambiguation page is more appropriate, or at least a hatnote at the primary topic. ZFT (talk) 07:23, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to Complex#Mathematics. In the disambiguation subsection the reader can find related terms to it. Alexcalamaro (talk) 07:42, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That seems much more reasonable. I do not agree with BugGhost's and Eppstein's reasoning; redirects should be as direct and straightforward as possible. Your proposal therefore seems like the best solution. ZFT (talk) 07:52, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    But none of those terms would ever be called "complex math". I've also trimmed that section down, as it was rife with WP:PTMs. I was conservative in my removal, but I still wound up removing several. The dab page is a bad target, and a bad target is worse than no target at all. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 07:58, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If they would never be called that, then why are we having this discussion? ZFT (talk) 08:04, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This is a fair enough compromise - I personally don't think it's necessary as complex numbers are the clear primary topic in my view, but this disambiguation is a far better choice than deleting. I'd be fine with this as an outcome. BugGhost 🦗👻 12:40, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Common lime

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There is no evidence that a primary subject has been specified, as Papilio demoleus is commonly called the Common lime butterfly, but "Common lime" more commonly refers to the tree Tilia × europaea. KOLANO12 3 09:04, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Love and Longing in Bombay

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Notable book. Has at least one interwiki. Should a red link per WP:RED (otherwise it messes up the interlanguage link template). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:06, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep page is a useful redirect to the book's author. The fact that the redirect causes the interlanguage link template to not appear as a red kink is a technical issue that shouldn't be used as a justification for removing a perfectly fine redirect; just don't use the template. RachelTensions (talk) 16:52, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:NavigationAustianChampionsFigureSkatingMen

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It doesn't appear that this redirect is currently in use on any articles. Bgsu98 (Talk) 04:36, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as unambiguous spelling mistake User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 05:18, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Quapauw tornado

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Rare mispelling of Quapaw (four hits total for this spelling, none related to the tornado). Most google hits for the correctly spelled version of the term seem to refer to the 2014 tornado (see e.g. this article, which we don't have an article for. Rusalkii (talk) 03:49, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Must've misspelled it on accident. EF5 03:52, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Picher deadly tornado

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No references at all to this phrasing anywhere in the target or online. Doesn't seem to be particularly useful as a search term over Picher tornado which already points to the target. Rusalkii (talk) 03:44, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: While the phrasing may be awkward, I get several pages of results for the 2008 Picher tornado when looking up "Picher deadly tornado". Several tornadoes have hit areas in/around Picher, so this is more of a "refiner". Still useful, imo. EF5 15:07, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - this is a search term, not a descriptive title. I have faith in Special:Search that anything containing "Picher" and "tornado" will lead roughly to that article. Departure– (talk) 15:36, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Smasnug

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This REALLY doesn't seem like a plausible misspelling for "Samsung". If anything, this should redirect to Shanzhai as "Smasnug" is a semi-infamous Shanzhai producer User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 02:55, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Planet B (TV series)

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Not mentioned in any part of the target page. 𝙳.𝟷𝟾𝚝𝚑 (𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔) 02:35, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Planet B is a former name of Boys II Planet. Aidillia(talk) 02:38, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So i don't know that the title was changed. Aidillia(talk) 02:39, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Planet B was the name that "Boys II Planet" was originally announced under. ([31]). It'll likely be retargeted to that article once the show gets underway and the article is moved out of the drafts. RachelTensions (talk) 03:53, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Xian H-8

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Proposing deletion as these two are implausible redirects - people are not going to search for an aircraft as "The [Manufacturer] [Designation]", and even less so as "The [Manufactuer] [Designation] [aircraft type]". - The Bushranger One ping only 01:53, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

December 28

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User talk:BlackBot

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Redirect from an user's talk page to another unrelated user's talk page, created by an uninvolved third person. Suggesting to delete. —CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 21:51, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I, the “uninvolved third person“, created the redirect because I assumed that both bots are by the same person. If they are in fact unrelated, then it should definetly be deleted. Thanks for bringing this matter to my attention. -- -- -- 06:04, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Apparently, yes, they are unrelated. See Wikipedia:Changing username/Usurpations/Completed/42#None (SUL request) → BlackBot. —CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 17:30, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as it does seem they are unralted although all contributions by the usurped account are deleted it doesn't look like they are related and the account isn't/was never a bot? Per above it looks like it could be deleted as G7. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:00, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Forkknife

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Likely originated as a joke redirect, but unclear target as is (fork or knife?). Recommending deletion, as it does not benefit Wikipedia. TNstingray (talk) 15:35, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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DuPage 3

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Group of neighborhoods previously WP:BLARd no longer mentioned in target article. Delete unless it is mentioned somewhere else. -1ctinus📝🗨 00:10, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Note that the merge didn't stick, it was revered by the same editor "per cn tag". -- Tavix (talk) 23:13, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete, there is no extant content at the target from the former article under these redirects so attribution is not required. -- Tavix (talk) 22:10, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It is generally considered to still be required. J947 ‡ edits 23:22, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There is no content that needs to be attributed—the merge was reverted. -- Tavix (talk) 23:50, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    As I said, attribution is generally considered to remain required even for removed content. J947 ‡ edits 23:53, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    No, any old revision has a disclaimer at the bottom of the page for this purpose (emphasis added): This version of the page has been revised. Besides normal editing, the reason for revision may have been that this version contains factual inaccuracies, vandalism, or material not compatible with the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License. -- Tavix (talk) 23:59, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Whilst removing unattributed content does prevent future harm, it does not resolve the underlying issue that when this content was in DuPage County, Illinois, its attribution was lacking. If the text was reused in another Wikipedia article or elsewhere on the Internet or in books, etc. whilst it was around, that presently remains a failure in attribution that is only worsened by the deletion of this redirect's history without recording it. WP:CWW presumably does not list now-unused content as an exception for reasons along these lines, and that is what editors have previously found AFAICR (previous discussion). J947 ‡ edits 00:32, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Wikipedia Adventure

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Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

WP:CNR. M.C. (talk) 17:43, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per J947. Nothing more I can add. Ca talk to me! 07:25, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Offensive content in YouTube

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There might be a few places this could redirect to, including YouTube and YouTube moderation. I've recently declined a speedy request on the basis that this is probably a useful redirect title, though I do want to hear other opinions on which way the best way forward. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 06:08, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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2024 CSA Provincial T20 Cup

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There were two CSA Provincial T20 Cups in 2024, one in March and one in October. Incoming links should be re-targeted, and this should be made a disambiguation page. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 14:04, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of federal lands in Alaska

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The target only includes federal lands that are part of the national park system, omitting large national forests and lands managed by the Bureau of Land Management, among others. Delete to encourage article creation. Mdewman6 (talk) 00:14, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But like the redirect target, the stub is missing national forests, BLM lands, military lands, etc.. Not opposed to creating list articles at these titles of course, but until someone wants to undertake making a comprehensive list, these should be red. Mdewman6 (talk) 21:37, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So fix it. BD2412 T 03:54, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all per nom. The newly created list basically duplicates List of the United States National Park System official units#Alaska and related pages, is wildly incomplete since there's far more than NPS areas, and incorrectly includes sites that are affiliated but not actually federal land; this should draftified or also deleted. I don't think these should be hastily made just for the sake of it. Some states instead have a related list of protected areas that includes state lands. Reywas92Talk 04:18, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Stuybbify/Listify per BD2412 above. Reywas92 above says that this duplicates the Park System article, but the whole point of this is that while there is overlap, this isn't an identical list-- federal lands include more areas than just the parks, although it will include the parks as well. Fieari (talk) 06:52, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete all per Reywas92. Creating these lists would be time consuming given the multiplicity of types of federal lands. I agree that attempting to stubbify in order to resolve this RfD would be hasty. Letting these exist as redlinks would resolve the current problem of pointing to an overly specific target while alerting readers to the need to add content. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 16:02, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Forcible confinement

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Retarget Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

2026 European Figure Skating Championships

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Way WP:TOOSOON. Bgsu98 (Talk) 11:11, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Readers will be disappointed to find that our current article has no other information on the 2026 competition. Ca talk to me! 07:26, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Great Dane (artwork)

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No mention of any artwork in the target page, though there've been a couple of attempts to shoehorn it in. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 11:03, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2028 Queensland state election

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I think the next Queensland state election, scheduled for 2028, deserves its own page. It would make sense to stop redirecting the title to the Legislative Assembly page so that there's a dedicated space for election-specific information. GarbageKarate (talk) 10:52, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note that this was originally left as a closing comment. Following discussion with J947 at their talk page, I'm reopening this. -- Tavix (talk) 00:12, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mayonesa Cigarro

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This is Spanish for "mayonnaise cigarette", and doesn't appear to have any connection to Simone Weil. (NPP action) jlwoodwa (talk) 09:27, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This seems to be a Twitter meme, from circa 2022, that nobody really understands. The redirect postdates the meme, so I don't think we have an intentional hoax here, but equally from one of those Twitter hits it looks as if the origin might have been in some vandalism of the Simone Weil page. Would delete absent compelling evidence that the meme has taken off and people might genuinely be searching for "Mayonesa Cigarro". UndercoverClassicist T·C 09:43, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

⚧︎

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Last discussion suggests to retarget. Another comment is that ⚧︎ is also used as a toilet pictogram, and they are all covered in Gender_symbol#Sexual orientation and gender politics. LIrala (talk) 21:47, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unclear what you are proposing. Gonnym (talk) 22:46, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to the last section mentioned. LIrala (talk) 22:47, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I like the idea of retargeting them all to LGBTQ symbols. JuxtaposedJacob (talk) | :) | he/him | 22:10, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Melee weapon

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This page was apparently deleted, so I'm not even sure why it remains a redirect. But that said, it being a redirect raises issues about its target, which is vague and could be weapon, melee, or even Role-playing game terms (since it's almost entirely a term used in gaming, not real life). I'd personally rather just see it deleted entirely and the search function being able to be used, but my second choice would be the glossary of RPG terms. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:52, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Google hits are mostly RPGs, but there's also List of premodern combat weapons § Melee weapons. Cremastra 🎄 u — c 🎄 01:32, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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N00b

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I thought of retargeting this redirect to Leet#n00b, but i think it's best to ask for consensus first before doing so. You have two choices: either keep this redirect as it is now, or retarget it to Leet#n00b as i wanted. This redirect should not be deleted. 67.209.128.30 (talk) 08:53, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

you can't tell me what to do, i vote to retarget to my talk page!!
just kidding, retarget to leet#n00b, even though the section should be called (v)<><>)3 cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:20, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy retarget per nom. This discussion has been up for too long. 67.209.128.97 (talk) 09:10, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yemen-Taizz

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Taizz is not mentioned in Kingdom of Yemen, its current target. Taiz is a city in Yemen. This can be deleted due to ambiguity. ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 15:56, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Taizz is just an alternative spelling of Taiz, which was the capital of the kingdom. Pescavelho (talk) 16:15, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Then why is it not targeting Taiz? Also, the title Yemen-Taizz is not mentioned in the article. ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 08:08, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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9/28/2022

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The redirect seems inappropriate as there is more than one major events occurred on that date, not just Hurricane Ian A1Cafel (talk) 04:46, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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September 28, 2022

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The redirect seems inappropriate as there is more than one major events occurred on that date, not just Hurricane Ian A1Cafel (talk) 04:46, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The Emperor's New Groove (Video Game)

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Redirect is alternate capitalization of the words video game, which is not even part of the title. Makes absolutely no sense. MimirIsSmart (talk) 06:21, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep These kinda redirects have been kept up before, so i see no point in deleting this one. (It's not like "(ViDeEo GaMe]" either way so) User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 09:52, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mick Rory (Arrowverse Earth-74)

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Character is not talked about at target and in universe is a minor character in the two episodes he appears in. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 06:15, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

USS Zhukov (NCC-62136)

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"Zhukov" is not mentioned at the target article, and this is a completely separate ship in-universe. This was redirected in 2006, apparently failing even that era's notability standards. It was pointed at a target that then got redirected into the article that was deleted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Star Trek Starfleet starships, but this redirect got pointed elsewhere somehow and didn't get deleted with that content. This can be safely deleted. Hog Farm Talk 04:02, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Agree it can be deleted - the parenthetical registry number makes it an unlikely search term. If there's an inclination toward a more appropriate redirect direct, Data's Day fits the bill, as it's the first time this particulars ship appears on screen. That said, the Zhukov' trivial appearance is not mentioned at that article, either. --EEMIV (talk) 15:26, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cellar Door

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I don't think the song is the primary topic over the other capitalized entries at the Cellar door disambiguation page, e.g. Cellar Door (John Vanderslice album) and Cellar Door (film). jlwoodwa (talk) 03:43, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shakespearean sonnet

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I'd like to retarget this to Shakespeare's sonnets. I made this change, but it was bot-reverted as vandalism. 101.119.76.69 (talk) 03:17, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Virus Barrier

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Keep Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

December 27

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Check Six

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The source title is ambiguous: it could refer to the game studio (Check Six Studios, which the current target covers), or it could refer to the colloquialism (now covered in Clock position#In media and culture after Special:Diff/1265622848). I'm not sure which target is better. Does WP:DIFFCAPS come into play? PleaseStand (talk) 21:23, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tu-166

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"166" is not mentioned at the target; not sure how plausible this redirect is. 1234qwer1234qwer4 20:19, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prison music

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The term "prison music" is ambiguous (music about prison, or music from prison?) and being sent to the category to which this redirect targets does not serve the user better than using Search for"Prison music". Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:49, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Luxury homes

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Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

Notwithstanding the lack of consensus on the closure of the last RfD of a group of redirects including this one, Luxury homes should have the same target as Luxury home per WP:PLURALPT ("the normal situation is that a plural redirects to its singular, or to wherever its singular redirects", so retarget it to Real estate. Redirects to category space are really not optimal for situations like this, especially when there's a singular version pointing somewhere else, and no reason to ignore the guideline. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:23, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pale Garden

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The current redirect is the only remotely plausible one in the page history, else I would've probably deleted or draftified. But since it's not mentioned at the target, I'm not sure this works either. Thoughts? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 07:55, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete as clean-up after a blocked disruptive editor. No prejudice against good-faith creation if someone actually thinks such a redirect would be beneficial (as opposed to a red link). --Paul_012 (talk) 08:19, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to List_of_Minecraft_characters#Creaking, where it is mentioned. Oppose deletion per WP:NOTBURO. Ca talk to me! 13:58, 8 December 2024 (UTC) Delete The article has been deleted. 07:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • That is an incredibly poor target, as it's only a passing mention that explains nothing about the term all. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:21, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The Pale Garden is a place added in the newest update of Minecraft, notable for featuring the newest monster creaking. I think the target provides information about whats the most notable about the place, which is the monster. Ca talk to me! 14:57, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • And I would have thought that the WP:NOTBURO argument would be in support of quickly deleting junk redirects resulting from pages created in bad faith instead of going through huge bureaucratic discussions to find accommodation for them. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:24, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Normally my argument would be same as your's, but since I believe the redirect should be kept, enforcing BURO would require pointlessly deletion and restoring/retargetting. Ca talk to me! 14:56, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Fair enough. I did say that there should be a redirect if someone thinks one would be beneficial, and since you do, I'm striking my above !vote. (Though I'm still not quite convinced that's an optimal target.) --Paul_012 (talk) 14:51, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as wikitrashing. 67.209.128.31 (talk) 04:40, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What is a "wikitrashing"? Ca talk to me! 09:39, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The practice of inserting irrelevant and unnatural nonsense junk into wikis. It is also known as "wikilittering". 67.209.128.31 (talk) 17:53, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have never heard that term before, but I'm assuming that it's a synonym for WP:CRUFT User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 03:22, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • then delete (or return to red if you're feeling feisty) in absence of a good enough target. strong oppose restoring and sending to afd, as it was a pile of copyvios with no reliable sources in sight. i'm pretty sure canonni's reversions in the page history were 50% accidents lol. there's also every chance someone might be looking for something related to the pale king too, i guess consarn (formerly cogsan) 19:54, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sarcenet

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an alternate spelling of "sarsenet", a type of silk fabric. unmentioned in the target, though there are mentions of both spellings in other articles (but only two incoming links), and it gets steady views, so maybe there's a more fitting target i'm missing? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:18, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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T Swift

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WP:PANDORA is strong with this one. To be more specific, since this is the only "[first-name-initial] [last-name]" redirect I know of, this might potentially lead readers into thinking there's more redirects like this one. User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 14:15, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

...and the even more incorrect T swift is not red. -- Tavix (talk) 21:24, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per BugGhost, this is a popular-enough nickname for Taylor Swift. I disagree with ambiguous arguments because AFAICT it's not notably used for anyone else. -- Tavix (talk) 21:24, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Swift is the primary topic for "T Swift". Doesn't matter that if "T. Swift" or "T-Swift" or what have you is more common, this spelling is used in text and it's completely reasonable way to type it if you hear it. Tag with whatever rcats make sense and move on. PANDORA, which I'm not a fan of, isn't really against this because we've generally accepted having redirects from common nicknames to their most famous user. Skynxnex (talk) 21:47, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. "T Swift" is a commonly used nickname for Taylor, and is not ambiguous/also the primary topic among the Swifts whose name starts with T. Utopes (talk / cont) 18:33, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Utopes. J947 ‡ edits 22:23, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2015 Ukrainian Figure Skating Championships

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Incorrect redirect. Subject is better off with a red link. The Banner talk 04:54, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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"Musican" Redirects

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Prior consensus has shown these kinds of redirects should be deleted. + the "Felukah" redirect in particular was actually created by me as a page move, so counts towards a G7. Forgot about the whole "page move" clause, my bad
(Just to be clear, I wouldn't object musican if that was a redirect as THESE redirects and previously nominated ones clearly show that at least a FEW people would need to be helped by redirecting musican to the correctly spelled version)

(The Edward one in particular is especially bad as it also has an incorrect disambiguator format) User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 12:36, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

unmentioned suikoden characters (episode 2: j-l)

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re-nominating those after this discussion closed as "if only we knew the suffering that would befall us next", but only by a small chunk at a time. same rationale applies. also, kraze might be vague, but i'm a little iffy on it consarn (formerly cogsan) 12:19, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Arab Democratic Republic

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I believe the redirect from Arab Democratic Republic to Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic is not appropriate. This redirect targets a specific instance from a general term. Many Arab republics have labeled themselves as democratic, such as the People's Democratic Republic of Yemen and the People's Democratic Republic of Algeria. The redirect should either be deleted or replaced with a disambiguation page. РоманЖ (talk) 10:38, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment could point to Arab Republic and itemize there -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 12:26, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I agree with the nom: this partial title match is not an appropriate redirect. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:24, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I don't think I've ever seen a plain "Arab Democratic Republic" refer to the Sahrawi Republic, but on the other hand googling "Arab Democratic Republic" brings up nothing but the Sahrawi Republic, and if you exclude Sahrawi the results just pop up other spellings of Sahrawi, and so on as you exclude more and more spelling variations till eventually I found a Yemen reference about six exclusions deep. CMD (talk) 04:01, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That is exactly what I initially did before creating this redirect, which is precisely why I created it. Moreover, the Democratic Republic of Algeria is not solely Arab; many Berbers and other non-Arab groups also live there. Yemen, on the other hand, could indeed be referred to as an Arab Republic. Therefore, I now support some form of disambiguation or retargeting to the Arab Republic page, but I still oppose deletion. Cuvaj (talk) 09:18, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:ED

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It appears that this redirect is mostly used by accident (where the author intends to link to Wikipedia:Edit warring or Wikipedia:Edit summary), and currently links to an obscure deprecated page from Wikipedia's early days. I propose deleting it, since I don't think that there is a clear best alternative target JJPMaster (she/they) 06:15, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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'DAB: Convert to internal disambiguation page; that way any plausible mistaken use of it can still be puzzled out, instead of just going nowhere.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  04:13, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mmmmm Mmmmm Mmmmm Mmmmm

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Can't find any evidence that the song was known by this version of the title. mwwv converse∫edits 14:51, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per 2A0E - if a user types this in then it is obvious where they are attempting to go. Redirects don't have to be 100% accurate, and often it is helpful when they aren't. No benefit of deleting - should be kept. BugGhost 🦗👻 09:44, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2021 ICC Champions Trophy

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Misleading redirect, as there was never planned to be a 2021 edition of the ICC Champions Trophy. As such, there is no information at target article about a 2021 edition. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:22, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Nightb***h

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Book title is not censored and full name is Nightbitch. Wikipedia is also not censored. Blethering Scot 22:02, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom's statement. 67.209.128.31 (talk) 04:52, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
delete as implausible censoring. just say "b*tch" if you're that worried about the fuck words. of course, this means i'd consider "nightb*tch" to be a plausible redirect. don't you hate it when your stay at home wife sometimes transforms into a dog? that happened to my buddy eric once, and his week was ruined cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:22, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I wouldn't consider "b***h" to be implausible though Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 11:24, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
it certainly is on the more niche side of censorings. maybe down there with "fu*k" and "a*s" cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:58, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
fu*k has a redirect, so it's not really obscure Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 12:17, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ow my consonants cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:24, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Plausible censoring. Wikipedia is not censored, but a redirect is not content, it's a navigation aid. The fact that wikipedia is not censored doesn't mean our users necessarily know that, or that they won't self-censor themselves, or copy a search term from someone else who does. WP:CHEAP applies. Fieari (talk) 23:16, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete. We're not censored and shouldn't encourage any misguided notion that we'll de-censor self-censored search terms. If something's citeably referred to in censored fashion, that's different. The play Shopping and Fucking was frequently referred to in the media as "Shopping and F***ing", for example (e.g.), and that would be a legitimate redirect title. I'm kind of surprised that Shopping and F***ing doesn't already exist, now that I've looked for it.  — Hex • talk 16:14, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep redirecting a redacted version to the non-censored version is pretty much the opposite of censorship. I did a new simple google search for "Nightb***h" and found that the Daily Mail has used it in two video posts and three articles, so it's very possible someone will search Wikipedia for that exact title. Skynxnex (talk) 21:20, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep as currently unambiguous on Wikipedia per this wildcard search ... which was quite surprising, but it is what it is. Steel1943 (talk) 07:28, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per Fieari. People who are citing NOTCENSORED are not grasping what's happening here - a user is typing in a word containing "b***h" and getting taken to an article with the word "bitch" - this is the opposite of censorship. This particular spelling is used online and unambigious - should be kept. BugGhost 🦗👻 09:53, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Transphobia in the US House of Representatives

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I feel like this is a broader topic, a bit misleading to target it to a specific instance. JayCubby 19:48, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The bill is not called "Transphobia in the US House of Representatives" by any people. I agree with 35.139. Ca talk to me! 23:32, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Retarget to Transphobia in the United States, to the "Government actions" section if needed. In addition to the Private Spaces Act, it also mentions, In mid-July, the GOP in the US House of Representatives supported bills that would target transgender athletes with the "Protection of Women and Girls in Sports Act" sponsored by Greg Steube. The mention of transphobia in the House in the broader Transphobia in the U.S. article makes the latter a valid redirect target. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 03:00, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Rehabilitation (addiction)

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Drug addictions are not the only kind of addictions[citation needed], nor is drug rehabilitation the only kind of addiction rehabilitation out there. User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 05:29, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Treatment and management of addiction; in addition to one mention in the article text itself, at least two sources quoted in the References section use the word. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 16:13, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Neon cat

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Redirects to Antarctica and Arctic Ocean

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I personally think it is unnecessary. Psycho CSL (talk) 05:11, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Psycho CSL: Please expand your nomination rationale. Simply stating that something is "unnecessary" is not a valid reason for deletion. CycloneYoris talk! 08:46, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for merging those pages. I haven't deleted such a large number of pages at once before, so I didn't realize I needed to merge them. I'll be more careful next time. My reason for deletion was that if I search for a specific latitude, I'm more likely to want to know what's on that latitude, rather than being redirected to another article. I'm not very good at English, so I may not have been able to explain my thoughts well. For example, for latitudes 81°S to 89°S, I don't think I would want to be redirected to the same article every time I search for one. While I understand other perspectives, I still think having separate articles would be more user-friendly. But if everyone agrees to keep the redirects, I'm fine with that.--Psycho CSL (talk) 02:10, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
After further thought, the more important point is that the Antarctica article doesn't actually cover information about those latitudes.--Psycho CSL (talk) 02:21, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Jesus Christ, CSL, PLEASE bundle these kinds of RfDs next time.
Onto the actual vote itself, weak keep per WP:CHEAP and that Antarctica is indeed 89 degrees south on the latitude scale User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 05:27, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks cyclone for fixing the RFD listings. Psycho CSL if you need to nominate lots of RFD's again I'd recommend using massXFD, which makes bundling a lot quicker, and makes the resulting listing/notifications simpler. BugGhost 🦗👻 10:26, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all. 1) Wikipedia is not an atlas. While we may have articles about countries and things that you do find in an atlas, it's not meant to be a database dump of what countries cross what arbitrary lines of latitude/longitude. There's nothing inherently interesting about breaking up by integer values of degrees; this is a task more suited to a program that has geographic data and can convert any such line of longitude or latitude into such a list automatically. 2) Even if you want these for completeness, the ones we do have are part of a series, and these are not, so WP:REDYES applies. We shouldn't have these redirects to cover up the fact that these parts of the series don't exist. Furthermore, there's absolutely no reason why the series has to be complete at all. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 18:09, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Also, I forgot to add that these tend to be ambiguous. Why Arctic ocean and not Arctic ice sheet or simply Arctic? Similar concerns exist in the south. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 18:16, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The lines of latitude and longitude articles have been taken to AFD several times before and they've always been kept. This Redirects for Discussion page is not the appropriate place to discuss them, but feel free to raise them at AFD yet again if you must. In any case, there is nothing in WP:NOT that mentions atlases, and of course there are thousands of articles about geographical locations.
Regarding your comments about the Arctic ice sheet, this is not fixed in place, and (especially with the future effects of global warming) parts of the parallels might go over open ocean, thereby making a redirect to Arctic ice sheet not necessarily correct. The ice sheets are in the Arctic Ocean, so redirects to Arctic Ocean will always be correct, whether the parallels pass over ice or open water. I'm not sure what "similar concerns exist in the south" really means – these parallels are entirely on the continent of Antarctica. A redirect to Antarctica is therefore more precise than a link to Antarctic which covers seas that these parallels don't pass through. Bazonka (talk) 21:59, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

December 26

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Donald President

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Paravima totoro

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Basilica of Sts. Peter and Paul

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Humxn

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classy. while there is some potential for this redirect's plausibility in the context of self-flanderizing bird app politics (i can feel the bile in my throat just linking that), said potential and context are not mentioned in the target consarn (formerly cogsan) 20:20, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • What in the world are you talking about? As far as I can tell (and what the creation comment seems to back up), this seems to be a drop-in for "human" to make it seem more gender-neutral, I guess. But I've found extremely little evidence of this actually being used (no hits in ngrams, etc), and there's no discussion about this at the destination (or anywhere, unsuprisingly), so Delete. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 04:22, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    twitter gets into what i've seen having been described as "nothingburger debates" on a near hourly basis
    in 2015-2018 (y'know, around the start of donald trump's first presidency), a popular topic was whether or not the left were goo goo ga ga babies who had cardiac heart attacks over instances of the character string "man". unfortunately, this means i can say "that's the joke" consarn (formerly cogsan) 11:18, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
...this is confusing, but veering on delete I decided to search this up on Brave Search with no quotation marks or anything like that (just a plain ol' search), and I immediately found this blog post that (amongst other paragraphs I struggle to read as a native English speaker) explains that "humxn" is a neologism used by one blog to describe a person with a support animal. Regardless, this neologism is not discussed anywhere on the article for support animal (or anywhere on the internet aside from that one blog, it seems) though.
Urban Dictionary (which is the quintessential unreliable source) says that it's the gender neutral version of "Human" which lines up with this redirect's target. Consarn mentioned bird app, which would be the perfect source to look for this term in... if Elon didn't force me to make an account to search for stuff. User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 05:46, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Species 5618

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sci-fi fancruft!? no idea where the term originates, but it seems to be juggled around between at least two works consarn (formerly cogsan) 20:16, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Reformer

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Abhishek Chauhan

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Has appeared in numerous works (1, 2). WP:RETURNTORED. Nardog (talk) 16:25, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shazia Iqbal

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Has directed other works, including Dhadak 2, in addition to working as production designer for Sacred Games. WP:RETURNTORED. Nardog (talk) 16:22, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Trafozsatsfm

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Template:DisProject and Template:DisPro

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Unused WikiProject template shortcuts created in 2010 and 2021 respectively. Target has other, better shortcuts listed.  — Hex • talk 11:55, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I would be very confused where that shortcut leads me to. Ca talk to me! 14:38, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It goes to dis project, obviously. (Not to be confused with: dat project)  — Hex • talk 14:50, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. This is a horrible named redirect. Gonnym (talk) 16:36, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per the IP: it isn't horrible, it just follows dis precedent set by {{dis}}. Cremastra 🎄 u — c 🎄 19:24, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I must disagree (ahem), these shortcuts usually don't swap the order of WikiProject Something into Something Project, right? Typically project names are condensed into WPSomething or just Something. I think this is unlikely to see usage because of the nonstandard format.  — Hex • talk 14:22, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Howdunnit

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Chongqing No.1 Middle School

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As per WP:RDELETE points 2 and 10, this redirect not only could plausibly be expanded into into an article (See prior edit history), but also creates significant confusion (The primary article linking to this is Chongqing, which this redirects back to, creating a recursive link) - Additionally, there are next to no pageviews (Prior to proposing this redirect be deleted), suggesting that it's not used frequently Gmoat (talk) 16:41, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:RETURNTORED. It redirects to a list with no context, providng very little information for readers. Ca talk to me! 01:34, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Wang Qingyun

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No point in this redirect, her name is mentioned only twice here in a table. but she is also mentioned as a competitor/medalist in few other articles but none have enough content to anchor a redirect. Sports2021 (talk) 00:02, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Yeah, we essentially have someone who participated in a few events, but we don't have enough info about to have ONE cohesive target. User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 05:49, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If it is the skater, then the current target is the cohesive target, since that's the only one where the skater finished on the podium, so the only prominent finish for the skater. But we have 2 historical figures with this name, a provincial governor and a rebel general, thus making this a good page to make a disambiguation page. WP:DABRL would cover using {{ill}} for the two historical figures. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 12:31, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Finario

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Delete as ambiguous with Damian of Finario and Battista dei Giudici. These three minor details do not between them warrant a disambiguation page, and search results will do the job quicker and more simply than hatnotes. J947 ‡ edits 02:57, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Leo (kaiju)

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Same reason here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2024_November_8#Mothra_Leo 203.129.49.225 (talk) 10:00, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete - I've already stated this in the past discussion @203.129.49.225 has linked here, and I'll have to say this again...

    even if I did read those three films articles in my point of view or someone else's point of view, they'd be like "Who the hell is Leo?", and again, I'm not a Mothra expert, I'm only a Godzilla expert.

    If those who don't know what this IP is referring to, I'll mention this quote stated in a past discussion stated by @121.45.246.200 Mothra Leo is a fan name and its simply a rumor, besides if its a rebirth trilogy, the Mothra should be named "MOTHRA", not Leo, otherwise Toho should've changed the names of the trilogy to "Birth of Mothra Leo".
I'm just leaning for delete anyway. GojiraFan1954 (talk) 10:18, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Old Rajans

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Not a useful Redirect IDB.S (talk) 06:44, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Astronomical society of dharmaraja college

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Dharmaraja College Astronomical Society

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ASDRC

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December 24

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CNN This Morning

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IMK-Peshmerga

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Târnavele Blaj

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Interhistorical

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Tang kins

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The Zone Corporation

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South Asian Handball Federation

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Save The Montagnard People

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Trump's back

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James Abram

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Fluoroacetonitrile

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2024 NYC subway murder by burning

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2026 Pro Bowl Games

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Women's Championship redirects

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More "solider" redirects

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These redirects all have the same misspelling of "soldier," which was discussed in a previous RfD from last week. As its rationale says, "solider" is also the comparative form of "solid" and can also be a misspelling of at least several other words. Delete these unless someone can provide a justification or suitable alternative course of action. Regards, SONIC678 05:27, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • delete all that don't have "solider" as the first or second word, as it's too much stuff to type before making a minro spleling mistkae
  • delete super solider, foot solider (rich homie quan song), solider with the green whiskers, and confederate solider as skill issues
  • retarget the tin solider to... the tin soldier
  • and i guess extremely weak keep the rest (which is... only stereo solider and child solider)
what a doozy... cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:22, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"skill issues" are not valid criteria for deleting a redirect User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 06:38, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete all. These are typos, not spelling errors, and there are (conservatively) billions of such possible letter transposition typos, with no particular affinity to the specific typos or topics here, as opposed to any other letter transposition (or adjacent key) typo that could be produced from any of these. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 16:44, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep most as a plausible typo with no potential confusion, but with some exceptions:

Alex Shrub

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Not mentioned in target. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:36, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Old Roman Empire

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Ethan Herisse

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December 23

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Country metal

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ABA championship-winning player

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Pokémon 0

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Sha with dot below

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Oe with acute

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Shha with diaeresis

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TicketSmarter

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2031 Cricket World Cup qualification

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2031 ICC Women's Champions Trophy

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Snou Strait

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Chick-Fila

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Pregnant man

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Vettukathi

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a south indian cutty boy (that's the formal term, right?), apparently mostly used to cut coconuts. seemingly probably notable on its own, but it's not mentioned in the article, and doesn't even seem to be a type of machete cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:11, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Romanian / moldovan language

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Hindh

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Category:Transsexuals

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Despite being Transsexuals being useful, it should be moved to Category:Transsexual people instead, to avoid derogation. While for homosexuals, it's misleading, not every LGBTQ individual experiences homosexuality or identifies as homosexual. However, I wouldn't oppose a move to Category:Homosexual people. LIrala (talk) 01:39, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would propose Transsexuals -> Transsexual people and Homosexuals -> homosexual people. And make sure everyone in those categories identifies specifically with those terms. JuxtaposedJacob (talk) | :) | he/him | 19:08, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • If the reason these are nominated at RfD is because the names are derogatory and the redirects should be deleted, then I have no objection. Delete and create the ones with new names. Start adding specific articles to the categories as appropriate outside of this RfD. Jay 💬 09:35, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Homosexuals, category redirects don't have to be true of everyone in the category. Regarding Transsexuals, this is what happens when people deliberately make things worse. We used to have Category:Transgender and transsexual people, which recognized that there are some trans people who identify as transgender, some who identify as transsexual, and some as both. Some people disliked that name, some for policy-based reasons, some for IDONTLIKEIT ones. (N.B.: transsexual, while often a politically loaded term, is a term with a distinct academic meaning, not a slur, and is treated as such by this encyclopedia.) Splitting the category based on who is transgender and who is transsexual would have been painstaking, especially because sources are not always so clear on who identifies as which, and so what did CfD choose to do? It just renamed the category. Not even to trans, the catch-all term, but to transgender—a term that admittedly covers most people in the category, but not all of them. So, sure, instead of either leaving things be or doing the hard work of untangling things, let's just deliberately introduce factual errors into dozens/hundreds(?) of articles!
    So it's CfD's mess. Or maybe it's the admin team's mess, because that CfD was plagued with battleground conduct but most admins are afraid to touch WP:GENSEX. The solution here would be for someone to just create Category:Transsexual people and start populating it. The CfD's close says not to do that without consensus at WT:LGBTQ+, but, with respect, I don't think a WikiProject can be given binding power over whether a category ought to exist. Someone should just create the category, and if someone else objects they can take it to CfD, and maybe things will go smoother this time 'round.
    If that category is created, retarget there. If not, delete both for now, without prejudice against creating as redirects there if the category is later created. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|🤷) 03:49, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

December 21

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Brahuistan Province

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Jewish pogrom in Amsterdam

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Jewish pogroms in Amsterdam

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The Tabernacle

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FC Türkiye II

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200cc

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Cisidentity

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Wiktionary or their equivalent -gender articles? LIrala (talk) 17:52, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not really seeing the point of those redirects but redirecting to Wiktionary seems unlikely to be helpful. It seems like they should both link to the articles but maybe I'm missing the point here? --DanielRigal (talk) 23:50, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@DanielRigal The point of the redirects? The terms are more used academically in journals or activist writing in English, and are the literal translations of the terms French Wikipedia uses in the mainspace titles, probably because of WP:NOUN policies plus the terms being more formal in French. Cisidentity, specifically, seems to be a protologism. I guess people redirect them to Wiktionary because the terms are not mentioned in the main articles. Though recently some egregious groups started using them to mean "cisid" and "transid". LIrala (talk) 04:09, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe they should be mentioned in the main articles then? I'm not sure to what extent French terminology should guide us but if redirecting to Wiktionary makes more sense for reasons that I'm not getting then that's fine. I do think that both should do the same thing though. It's confusing if parallel terms are treated differently. --DanielRigal (talk) 04:19, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree and understand your confusion. I have the same opinion of yours. LIrala (talk) 04:21, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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JuxtaposedJacob: are you interested in helping this issue? The term is used in:
  1. https://go.gale.com/ps/i.do?id=GALE%7CA58521436&sid=googleScholar&v=2.1&it=r&linkaccess=abs&issn=10746846&p=AONE&sw=w
  2. https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/european-psychiatry/article/why-and-how-to-support-depsychiatrisation-of-adult-transidentity-in-icd11-a-french-study/3F7D1966A924FAF172F1E36DA411A361
  3. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0014385523000348
Cisidentity: https://library.oapen.org/bitstream/handle/20.500.12657/37406/1/9783839430200.pdf#page=64 and https://www.transcript-open.de/pdf_chapter/bis%204699/9783839444412/9783839444412-004.pdf
You can also check fr:cisidentité and fr:transidentité. Do you think it fits transgender terminology section?
And what about the redirect non-cisgender, now that gender modality exists. LIrala (talk) 05:50, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think that transidentity should redirect to Transgender to reflect the cisidentity redirect. The first source you linked is not relevant because it is an economics source. The other two seem like they are in use only to provide a word that is closer to the French studies' meanings than other English words; they is no evidence that either word is more an artifact of translation than anything else. Thus, I think we should link to the respective articles. If there is some source out there that describes them in much greater depth, or if more sources are published describing/using them, then, by all means, we should create a new article from a redirect, as I did in Gender modality.
You could stand to create a separate RfD on non-cisgender.
I also think that, if we do end up choosing to write about the terms, then we could have a broader gender terminology article, perhaps including Gender modality and the transgender terminology section. JuxtaposedJacob (talk) | :) | he/him | 15:31, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Legends Drum and Bugle Corps

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Complex math

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Common lime

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Sarsanghachalak

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List of Sarsanghchalaks of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh.

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December 10

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Gerecter

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Thrustship

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R&B

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 18#R&B

Criticism of Donald Trump

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No consensus Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: no consensus

Recent

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No consensus Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: No consensus Sorry, this is just all over the map. There's four proposed outcomes here, and no one outcome has commanded any clear agreement. And there's enough support for the status quo to no force a bartender's close. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:31, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Amateur home page

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Mian Page

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 18#Mian Page

Haifan Baháʼí Faith

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Haifan Baháʼís

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DEVS VVLT

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Keep Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

Ayurveda/Non-confirmed editor comments

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Delete Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Speedy delete

Goth (Silverwing)

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 17#Goth (Silverwing)

Nueva Hampshire

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Musha-gaeshi

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No consensus Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: no consensus

Save battery

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polypifer

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 17#polypifer

Ra'ad 1

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The more I research this redirect, the more confused I get. For starters, this redirect formerly targeted the article that is currently at Fajr-3 (artillery rocket), and did for the past six years. However, before that, this redirect targeted the article which it currently targets. However, to throw some more confusion into the mix, another similarly-titled article, Raad-1, exists. I may have figured out a better plan for what to do with this redirect by now if it were not for its incoming links; I am not clear what subject these links are meant to refer to. I'm thinking disambiguate is the way to go here, but I'm incredibly unclear what the base title should be for such a disambiguation page. Steel1943 (talk) 00:41, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Notified of this discussion at Raad-1.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 16:36, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 21:39, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 22:56, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Since this discussion isn't really getting any comments, I might as well throw my two cents in and say weak delete. Raad already exists as a disambiguation and there really isn't any suitable target for the exact title. Alternatively, retarget to Raad since that's the actual disambiguation. TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 00:16, 19 November 2024 (UTC) WP:STRIKESOCK. -- Tavix (talk) 22:32, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: One more try, since there's only really been one relist's worth of discussion
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 14:18, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Here's it being referred to as a surface-to-air missile [35], here as an air-launched cruise missile [36], here again as a cruise missile [37], here as an anti-missile system [38], here as maybe something else again [39]. Agree with Pppery that it seems to be an incorrect term for multiple things, and thus not really a good disambiguation. Cremastra (u — c) 00:30, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the references. So the Iranian one is truck-launched and the Pakistani one is air-launched. They both use the single quote, whereas Wikipedia doesn't use it for the Iranian articles. The nautilus.org source uses Wikipedia as its source! I have struck my vote in favour of retargeting to the dab Raad that has all spellings and combinations, and the reader is free to choose, or ponder on the complexity. Jay 💬 19:27, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

regional screwdrivers

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 18#regional screwdrivers

Ecuador scuba diving

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 18#Ecuador scuba diving

UTF-2000

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Split or bespoke decisions Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Userfy

Sarcenet

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 17#Sarcenet

Wikipedia:LTS

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Retarget Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Dionian(ism)

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 18#Dionian(ism)

More "solider" redirects

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 24#More "solider" redirects

List of saints (disambiguation)

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Keep Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: withdrawn

Pekka Soini

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Delete Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Cowboy Luttrell

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Retarget Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Jill Martin (herpetologist)

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Spicier

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Wang Qingyun

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